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#436
I've forgotten so many details about the two parallel timelines by now. I've always meant to go back and re-read both possible future stories, but just have never gotten around to it. TBH, as I recall it was hard to keep the various differences in all the supporting characters between the two universes straight jumping back and forth from one timeline to the other in each chapter. I always wanted to go back and read each (AMB & AMV) half of the series straight through by itself (and maybe take a few notes), just to see if it held up and was self-consistent in both halves. I'm surprised it took you so long to get around to reading this, SAGG... but maybe you've rekindled my interest in getting back to it again. I remember there was that weird bit where (the AMV) Veronica's plane disappeared while in flight somehow, and then when she landed, she wound up in the Bettyverse, but now I forget what happened and how that whole plotline played out. And the stuff with Dilton's machine connecting the various parallel timelines of the Archie multiverse, and a whole bunch of cameo appearances by Pureheart and other versions of Archie. Before reading the DoA story, I hadn't known about most of this stuff like Ambrose, etc. (It was hinted that Ambrose is responsible for all those wild fantasy stories of Little Archie's, because he has the natural power of travelling between parallel timelines of the multiverse.) I didn't even know who Jellybean was at that point. I just picked up The Death of Archie with a pretty cynical attitude of "Oh brother, they'll shamelessly exploit just any cliched comic book marketing gimmick as a desperate ploy to goose sales, won't they?", and really got intrigued to read the whole saga from the beginning when I encountered this 2-page text flowchart at the beginning of the book, detailing and summarizing all of the various preceding events in both parallel timelines that had led up to the DoA story.

IIRC, wasn't the AMB side drawn by Pat & Tim Kennedy, and the AMV side drawn by (at first, I think, Norm Breyfogle, and then later by) Fernando? And unless I'm forgetting, weren't both stories written by Paul Kupperberg?

I will make one observation, though. Everything about the series LIFE WITH ARCHIE seemed designed to appeal to the more typical comic shop consumer. The parallel timelines, continuing subplots and soap-operatic elements, all the science-fiction tropes, you name it. And yet ACP absolutely dropped the ball on this one by making LIFE WITH ARCHIE available only in magazine format, which is pretty much reviled by both comic book collectors and comic shop retailers -- they didn't correct that mistake until the last two issues that made up the Death of Archie story. They should have made LWA in two formats... magazine for the newsstand/bookstore consumers, and traditional floppy comic for the comic shop consumers. Those last two issues of LWA in floppy comic format were the best-selling floppy comics that ACP ever printed. If they'd done that from the start, they might never ever have needed to resort to such a dramatic and irreversibly final conclusion to the series. That oversight in marketing the title from the very start is REALLY what led to the Death of Archie.
#437
One thing that stuck out in my mind is how in the Bettyverse, Betty turns into a workaholic and a neglectful spouse, her "responsible" side just totally subsuming her personality... she's got so many things going on and so many commitments that she's forgotten how to live and enjoy life, instead being dominated by her "Type A personality" achiever-oriented goals. That struck me as a little out of character for Betty, or at least kind of sad. Of course it's also true that people DO change, so who's to say for certain.
#438
Quote from: SAGG on April 06, 2018, 11:30:32 PM
I'm speeding it up a bit to the end, obviously with Archie's death as the main plotline. I noticed that the writers shrewdly "merged" both universes because I couldn't tell which one was which. Maybe it didn't matter, which was the point.

Well, obviously the two universes couldn't actually be merged, because then you wind up with the Schrödinger's Cat-like probability paradox of a universe where Archie is married to both Betty and Veronica... but I do take your meaning, as the "Death of Archie" final story arc of LWA was being intentionally vague in details to the point where it could have been taking place in either, or both, the Bettyverse and the Veronicaverse. Oddly enough I remember 'way back on the old (pre-server crash) forum where someone else (I've forgotten who, now) argued that there were definite clues placing the DoA story in (I think it was) the Bettyverse, and I don't remember what those clues were or if I even recognized them.

In general, as the series neared its end and it became obvious that it would be necessary to wrap up the long, convoluted plot of many details and characters, there seemed to be lots of bits either summarily explained away rather casually, or forgotten altogether and left dangling. Things had gotten very science-fictional about three-quarters of the way through the run, and then they gradually moved away from that to end it all with Archie's death.
#439
Betty's ponytail should be attributed to Harry Lucey, not Dan DeCarlo. And DeCarlo's becoming a main artist at Archie Comics has a lot more to do with DeCarlo's work (on Millie the Model, et. al.) drying up at Marvel when their distributor, American News, went bust, which left Martin Goodman with no options but to let Independent News (owned by the same people who owned DC Comics) handle their distribution... and the deal was that Independent would only accept eight titles a month from Goodman, which limited him to sixteen bi-monthly titles. That effectively put a lot of Marvel artists out of work, since prior to that, Marvel had been publishing something more like 40 or 50 titles a month.

I don't think Brian Cronin has studied Archie Comics too much, since you can find lots of better examples of sexiness than that one cover Harry Lucey drew depicting B&V exercising in a gym. One would think he'd never seen an issue of JOSIE with Melody in it, or several examples of Cheryl's appearances, not to mention that one story where Mr. Cooper is about ready to kill Archie after he thinks he's had sex with Betty while they spent a night together in a motel room after running out of gas, and Betty's clothes got wet when she fell in the lake, so of course she had to remove them to dry them out... He gets a little too hung up on the fact that the word "SEXY" appeared in a word balloon in big letters in that one story.

He's also incorrectly identified the artist of "Saved by the Bell" as Dan DeCarlo, when it was, in actual fact, Dan DeCarlo JUNIOR, and says so right in the credits.
#440
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale Reviewed
April 06, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
I wish I could be more enthused about VIXENS... but it feels like it has this real "making it up as we go along" vibe to it, as though it's really not too well planned out or paced. Annoying too, is the tendency of Evelyn, Toni, and especially Betty to resort to a fight at the drop of a hat. No stopping to think or reason, just hit first, question later. And except for the very brief appearances of Archie and Ambrose (who are both made out to be total wimps), all male characters in the book are total sacks of shit. So... I think I'm going to let this one go. Slowly but surely it's started to creep me out.
#441
04-04-18:
FIGHTING AMERICAN: THE TIES THAT BIND #2 (of 4)
DEJAH THORIS #3
ASTRO CITY #51
ANT-MAN AND THE WASP PRELUDE #2 (of 2)
AVENGERS: SHARDS OF INFINITY #1 (one-shot)
MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE #5
CABLE #155
JOHNNY BLAZE: GHOST RIDER #1 (one-shot)
DEATHSTROKE #30
XERXES: THE FALL OF THE HOUSE OF DARIUS #1 (of 5)
DOCTOR STAR & THE KINGDOM OF LOST TOMORROWS #2 (of ?)
BRUCE LEE: WALK OF THE DRAGON #1 (one-shot)
THE TREMENDOUS TRUMP: WORLD WAR T #1 (one-shot)
BETTY AND VERONICA: VIXENS #5
THANOS: THE INFINITY SIBLINGS OGN HC
SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #65 (Feb. 1981)
ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #96 (Aug. 1984)
ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA #298 (Oct. 1980)
BETTY AND VERONICA SPECTACULAR (ARCHIE GIANT SERIES) #530 (Sept. 1983)
BETTY AND VERONICA SPECTACULAR (ARCHIE GIANT SERIES) #613 (Oct. 1990)
BETTY AND ME #79 (Oct. 1976)
BETTY AND ME #124 (Oct. 1981)
BETTY AND ME #129 (Jul. 1982)
LAUGH #263 (Feb. 1973)
LIFE WITH ARCHIE #112 (Aug. 1971)
MADHOUSE COMICS #124 (May 1981)
PEP #317 (Sept. 1976)
REGGIE AND ME #81 (Sept. 1975)
JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE TP
#442
Story Help / Re: Looking For A TPB Reprint
April 04, 2018, 12:46:46 PM
Sorry to say, there have been only TWO Jughead trade paperback collections:
THE BEST OF JUGHEAD: CROWNING ACHIEVEMENTS (from the ARCHIE & FRIENDS ALL-STARS series) and JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE (published just this week!)

So that's a big no. There have been a lot more Jughead digital-exclusive collections, but that's no help for the trade paperback readers.
#443
03-29 to 04-01-18:
MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN: FRED FREDERICKS SUNDAYS HC VOL 01 [1965-1969]
MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN: FRED FREDERICKS DAILIES HC VOL 01 [1965-1967]
MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN: LEE FALK & PHIL DAVIS DAILIES HC VOL 01 [1934-1936]
MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN: LEE FALK & PHIL DAVIS SUNDAYS HC VOL 01 [1935-1937]


Lee Falk created Mandrake (the first comics superhero with magic powers) in 1934, when he was a 19 year-old college sophomore, and continued to write the strip until his death in 1999. In the early years Mandrake had true mystical abilities, although as time went on, all these fantastic manifestations began to be explained as powerful illusions created by Mandrake through a form of instant super-hypnosis. "MANDRAKE GESTURES HYPNOTICALLY" was a caption oft-repeated. Telepathy, telekinesis, teleportation, levitation, psychometry, astral projection, invisibility, and metamorphosis were only a basic selection of Mandrake's vast array of powers. Mandrake was trained in the mystic arts at the Collegium Magikos, hidden in the Tibetan Himalayas, presided over by Headmaster Theron (who was later revealed as both Mandrake's father, and the father of Luciphor [unbeknown to Mandrake, he was his half-brother, who later became his arch-enemy the Cobra]), yet Mandrake's powers always seemed to be somewhere between true magick and parapsychological talents, plus having mastered all the standard craft of traditional stage magicians. Whether mystical or psychic in nature, Mandrake's abilities served him well as he travelled the globe, opposing criminals and all forms of injustice. He, together with his constant companions, the faithful aide Lothar (an African prince of immense strength who forsook his throne for a life of adventure), and the exotically beautiful Princess Narda of the tiny kingdom of Cockaigne (whom Mandrake finally married in 1997 after a 62-year courtship) endured in newspapers for nearly 80 years.

For the first 30 years, Phil Davis was the artist. Fred Fredericks took over the strip in 1965 (both dailies and Sundays) after Davis' death, and drew it until his retirement in 2013 (and he did double-duty after Lee Falk's death by writing the strip from 1999 until the end). Mandrake survives in reruns, but the Phantom, Lee Falk's other comic strip superhero (the first to wear a colorful form-fitting costume and mask, although without any superpowers) goes on and on.
#444
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on March 31, 2018, 07:29:16 AM

Yes, DCR, that's what I mean, the Blondie issue.  Sorry, I guess #7 is the next and final issue.

You just gotta love it when as a subscriber you wind up getting an issue weeks earlier than retail consumers. Doesn't happen for me with my digest subs all that often, but it DOES happen occasionally.
#445
All About Archie / Re: Archie meets Batman '66!
March 31, 2018, 07:19:10 AM
The website 13th DIMENSION quizzed Dan Parent and J. Bone about working on ARCHIE MEETS BATMAN '66:
https://13thdimension.com/holy-inkwell-art-team-talks-archie-meets-batman-66/#more-65870

They also had a few Q&A's with the co-writers of the series, Jeff Parker and Michael Moreci:
https://13thdimension.com/exclusive-writers-tease-whats-coming-in-archie-meets-batman-66/
#446
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on March 30, 2018, 07:01:40 PM
Quote from: ASS-P on March 30, 2018, 06:24:05 PM
...Let me get this straight - the standard paper version of THE ARCHIES was available do a while - through bricks and mortar shops and thru Amazon - And,  I assume,  other Internet dealers who sell paper stuff? - but was WITHDRAWN FROM SALE for a while :crazy2: ? But now is available again? Ay Yi yi :idiot2: :buck2: !


I've only heard that on this message board.  I never found that to be the case anywhere else.  To make things more confusing, issue 7 is officially delayed by a couple of weeks until April 11th, but I got 2 copies of issue 7 with my subscription BEFORE the original publishing date of March 28th. I only have one subscription but Archie Comics has sent me 2 copies of the last few issues.

I think you must mean issue #6 - the Blondie issue, right?  So you have it? Still waiting on my copy of that issue with the Dan Parent variant cover ordered thru my LCS, but Diamond now lists the shipping date as April 11th. Shipping dates as originally solicited are often revised in later Diamond updates to retailers, a very common practice that affects nearly every publisher at one time or another. Diamond Comics issues shipping updates on a weekly basis.
#447
All About Archie / Re: Archie meets Batman '66!
March 29, 2018, 02:43:56 AM
Quote from: ASS-P on March 29, 2018, 01:21:01 AM
...Thank you.  Unfortunately,  I am,  once again,  in a hisoital, with only a teeny-weeny smartphone, and the Creators page won't expand into readability. Back in the day,  there was a link to the strip's page here.  I still think it would be good to have.  There's so little activity here,  I decided to concentrate everything I had to say on one line that had some activity.  Did anyone else here see that HARPER'S piece but me?

I'm familiar with the incident you're speaking of, the charge of sexual harassment. As far as I can tell, it was never brought to trial. Probably settled out of court, with details undisclosed by agreement between lawyers.

The link I provided for the Archie newspaper strip online is the only one I know of. A workaround solution for a smartphone would be to find the (too small displayed) image, click on the option for "Copy Image Location", then paste the address as copied into the web browser. The image should then display at as large a size as your screen allows. Don't ask me how that works on your particular smartphone (you'll have to figure out that part yourself).

Example: Here's the address for the JPG image of March 29th's Archie strip: 
https://cdn.alphacomedy.com/34/2018/03_29_18_8faca5a0908a758d56e1abd696fd3818.jpg

An alternative would be to actually register for the Creators' Syndicate site, and then try to find some kind of app that will work with the phone you have (iPhone app if that's what you have, or if not, then probably the android app).
#448
Quote from: ASS-P on March 29, 2018, 01:26:35 AM
...Did anyone besides me get the CHILLING ADVENTURES IN SOCERY Volume. 1 TPB? Was there a Volume 2?

No volume 2 solicited as yet -- but it seems likely to be scheduled, since the first volume sold pretty well (relatively speaking, as ACP trade paperbacks go). The reason that Volume 1 was in black and white probably had something to do with the production costs of having to scan the art from the pages of the printed comic books.
#449
All About Archie / Re: Archie meets Batman '66!
March 28, 2018, 11:54:49 AM
Quote from: ASS-P on March 27, 2018, 06:02:10 PM
...This is not a very optimistic board lately,  is it :-\ ?
  BTW,  speaking of internal conflict at ACP...what became of that sexual harassment/musconduct suit that one faction at Archie brought up +hat was written up in HARPER'S magazine in their front of the book section what is,  UFO,  maybe a couple of years ago by now?
  Also,  is the newspaper strip still running,? Even as reprint? I asked a ways ago about recent-putting up the link but it seems that no one ever did ??? .

Not sure what all this has to do with ARCHIE MEETS BATMAN '66, but the last original Archie newspaper strip (by Dan Parent) appeared way back on September 11, 2011. If you can find something optimistic about the fact that the strip ended six and half years ago, you're a better man than I.

reruns here:
http://www.creators.com/read/archie
#450
03-22 to 03-28-18:
NEIL GAIMAN'S HANSEL & GRETEL HC OGN
JIMMY'S BASTARDS #7
BLACK MAGICK #11
HIT-GIRL IN COLUMBIA #2 (of 4)
KISS/ARMY OF DARKNESS #2 (of 5)
FACTORY #1
RICK & MORTY #36
DOOMSDAY CLOCK #4 (of 12)
DETECTIVE COMICS #977
WONDER WOMAN #43
THE TERRIFICS #2
THE DEMON: HELL IS EARTH #5 (of 6)
MYSTIK U #3 (of 3)
SCOOBY-DOO TEAM UP #36
LOONEY TUNES #242
LOONEY TUNES #159 (Apr. 2000)
BUGS BUNNY #1 (Jun. 1990)
THE BEEF #2 (of 5)
THE LAND THAT TIME FORGOT: SEE-TA THE SAVAGE #1 (of 2)
SHEENA #6 & 7
GALAKTIKON #6 (of 6)
LOCKJAW #1 & 2
PEP COMICS FCBD 2011
SILVER AGE: DIAL H FOR HERO #1 (Jul. 2000)
WONDER WOMAN: FORGOTTEN LEGENDS TP
THE LEGEND OF AQUAMAN TP
MANN AND SUPERMAN (2000)