Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 20, 2017, 07:38:47 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 20, 2017, 06:15:40 AM
Sadly true.If only Sega will allow Archie to make one more issue of Sonic the hedgehog with a closure before they end production.But If sonic is adapted to IDW  then it will be a new continuity for the sonic the hedgehog comic book series with no mention of the old Archie continuity.

That's just the way these things go sometimes. No closure for those Sonic readers who were in the midst of reading a story arc -- and no trade collection for anyone who was reading the comic that way. I guess we can reflect on the fact that this was just the standard operating procedure for MOST cancelled comics for decades, before the rise in popularity of trade paperbacks led to discretely-planned multi-issue arcs -- stories would just END, with an implied "to be continued next issue" that was never fulfilled.

Good point but if Sega give Archie one more issue to give a finale before they end production it would have been something like the one I wrote: https://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/my-plot-idea-for-archie's-sonic-the-hedgehog's-final-issues/msg11452/?topicseen#new

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 20, 2017, 01:40:50 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 19, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Bad news sonic fans,As you all heard Archie's Sonic the hedgehog comic book series along with Sonic Universe is about to end because after many years Sega and Archie ended partnership http://www.cbr.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics/   


Which means that in about few months this year , Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe 95 will be rewritten as the final issue similar to Megaman before reaching to hiatus later revealed to be cancelation.

Let's hope the series will go off with a bang with issue 291 (along with Sonic Universe 95) since the series is about to end after many years.

Looks like the Sonic universe (for Archie Comics, anyway) ended with a whimper, not a bang, according to the article cited:

QuoteWith the dissolution of the publishing partnership, no new Sonic comics will be produced by Archie Comics going forward.

The wording of Sega's announcement seemed to imply that a licensing deal with another comics publisher was in the offing (IDW or UDON seem the most likely candidates, IMO).

Sadly true.If only Sega will allow Archie to make one more issue of Sonic the hedgehog with a closure before they end production.But If sonic is adapted to IDW  then it will be a new continuity for the sonic the hedgehog comic book series with no mention of the old Archie continuity.

Since Archie Comics and Sega's partnership comes to an end after 24 years, That means Sonic the Hedgehog # 291 and Sonic Universe # 95 will become the final story of the Archie Sonic Universe before Sega will find another comic book company possibly IDW to make a new comic book adaptation of Sonic the Hedgehog.

But in case if the 2 comic book issues are  never made, I am going to write the plot details  of the revised Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe # 95 which the latter will be the eulogy for the series.
It will be similar to what Dark Horse did with the Star Wars comic book series before giving its rights to Marvel  since Disney bought the franchise with Star Wars (dark horse 2014) issue 20 except Star wars legacy vol 2 and Archie Comics with Mega Man issue 55 ,If only this will happen to Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series .Well anyway,

Plot Details:
Sonic the Hedgehog#291 –The story will remain the same as this will be the adaptation of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 but it will be marketed as the final issue as there will be  narrations by tails about him and Sonic's first encounter with Knuckles  during their battle with Dr. Eggman. Then some added new last pages will reveal Sonic (the present one after the Shattered world crisis and the panic in the sky storyline)  reading Tails Journal about their adventures, When he heard that Tails is coming back from his walk. Sonic quickly closes the book and pretends that he didn't read Tails Journal as he is going out for a morning walk, Tails begins to suspect that Sonic had read some of his Journal but he decides to ignore it as he  is about to write about his next journal entry about his friendship with Sonic which will be explained in Sonic Universe # 95 the final issue of the series as well as the finale of Archie's Sonic Universe.
The info box at the end will say something like this  'Well Guys, That's the end of Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series, Thank you for 291 issues but if you want to see what Tails is writing in his Journal and see how this will all end , read Sonic Universe#95'

Off Panel Segment: This Off-Panel will be considered one page  as this involves characters shock that the series is cancelled and that there are many things that they wanted to do, Here's how it goes ,The Character are preparing for the next storyarc when suddenly Sonic gets a horrifying news from twitter that their Comic book series is cancelled. This cause the characters to panic and complain as they are shocked that the series didn't reach their 300^th issue milestone ,there are too many plots left unresolved, and there are upcoming story arcs which are  never to be told  and that Eggman is making plans for his world conquest, The Off Panel segment ends with Sonic looking discontent at seeing his friends and enemies panic for the inevitable

Sonic Universe #95-This will be the final issue of the series as well as the finale of Archie's Sonic Universe and it will be similar to Archie's Mega Man final issue before the issue (in reality cancellation) but it will be considered a farewell to the Archie Sonic Universe, The plot continues where Sonic the Hedgehog#291 left off as tails is about to write his journal entry about his friendship with Sonic .He will also write some of the details about his adventures with Sonic during the Pre-genesis wave through good times and dark times but there will not be any mention of Ken Pender's creations due to 'you know' lawsuit and then Tails will also write about his post genesis wave adventures that is the Shattered world crisis saga. The framing segment will also have Sonic going for a morning run and greet his friends including the Archie ones  (but no kender's characters) along with Tail's narrations saying that Sonic cares about his friends and his world and won't let anyone like Dr. Eggman ruin it.
Sonic will then have a moment of Silence for Chip (the light Gaia) who merge with the Gaia Colossus and the Dark Gaia to prevent Sonic's world from being destroyed as shown with Sonic still holding the bracelet he got  from chip. After a moment of Silence Sonic witness Eggman in his Egg Mobile and his goons about to conquer Sonic's world as always. As Sonic calls his friends to join him in defeating Eggman ,Tails finish his Journal entry before joining his friends as he says whatever bad thing  happens Sonic and his friends will always save the day as the final splash page shows Sonic and his friends charging in toward Eggman and his Army .As this will be considered as 'And the Adventures continues' ending where Sonic and his friends continue their never-ending battle and adventures .

The info box at the end will say something like this  'After 95 issues ,The series is over for now but Sonic and his friends adventures will live on,  Thank you for 25 years Sonic fans'

Off Panel Segment: The Off-panel will be considered a farewell to Archie's Sonic universe as the characters 'leave the set' after the series has come to an end and that Archie and Sonic 's partnership is over after many years especially that it pays tribute to the final moments to the series finale of The Mary Tyler Moore Show, It will also come in one or two pages  ,Here is how it goes: Sometime after  the off panel segment from Sonic #291,and taking place in party in the studio Set Sonic with tears in his eyes gives a heartwarming speech saying that even though their series is coming to an end ,he believes that they will meet again and after they raise their glass possibly water or champagne some person off panel tells them it's time to close the set.
And then we see the group of character exit the set one by one as each of the group sings It's a Long way to Tipperary ,First the original characters from the post genesis wave made by the staff of Archie Comics, Then the characters from the  post adventures era by Sega, Then the original  characters from the Pre Genesis wave made by the staff of Archie comics (but no characters by Ken Penders which again is due to lawsuit) ,Then the villains Eggman and his goons ,Then Sonic's friends Knuckles, Tails and Amy and finally Sonic himself before joining his friends stands  in front of the door alone takes one last look at the set and then us readers before he turns off the light and close the door leaving the panel all black and thus bringing Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog series to an end.


What do you think?

UPDATE: https://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/bad-news-sonic-fans-archie's-sonic-the-hedgehog-comic-is-cancelled/new/#new

Bad news sonic fans,As you all heard Archie's Sonic the hedgehog comic book series along with Sonic Universe is about to end because after many years Sega and Archie ended partnership http://www.cbr.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics/   


Which means that in about few months this year , Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe 95 will be rewritten as the final issue similar to Megaman before reaching to hiatus later revealed to be cancelation.

Let's hope the series will go off with a bang with issue 291 (along with Sonic Universe 95) since the series is about to end after many years.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 18, 2017, 02:24:37 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 17, 2017, 12:48:51 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 15, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
They should just do a Little Archie horror comic, since the original is probably the "classic Archie" title that arguably came closest to that genre in its original incarnation.

Um ,I don't think this should happen since it is aimed for younger audience and is considered lighter as shown with its revival few months ago.But if it is revived it will be similar to Goosebumps comics from IDW

Bob Bolling and Dexter Taylor got away with stuff when they were doing LITTLE ARCHIE that would be inconceivable in a comic marketed to young kids today. Some of those stories really WERE pretty horrific, at least by the standards of a "kids comic". Take a look at this cover for LA #37 (mildly altered here by me, but not the actual drawing), which is not TOO far off the kind of stuff EC Comics was publishing a decade earlier:

Yeah,But it was still light hearted though and if this series is part of Archie's madhouse brand then it will a black comedy light hearted kid horror comic similar to goosebumps.

Quote from: The Downloader on July 15, 2017, 06:28:32 AM
Hopefully they get a surplus in cash to release new titles, or rebooted ones, such as the actual "Archie's Madhouse", or maybe a new darker "Cosmo" series.

Yeah a revival of Madhouse in the 'madhouse' brand (aka Archie Horror) will become a black comedy anthology series and as for Cosmo I can deal with that becoming a black comedy series in a realistic environment but how will they make  a funny alien fit to the mature audience with dark humour

Quote from: mugpate on July 15, 2017, 10:19:51 AMI like the idea .. just hope titles are regular

Yeah,I hope so too.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 15, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
They should just do a Little Archie horror comic, since the original is probably the "classic Archie" title that arguably came closest to that genre in its original incarnation.

Um ,I don't think this should happen since it is aimed for younger audience and is considered lighter as shown with its revival few months ago.But if it is revived it will be similar to Goosebumps comics from IDW

Good for that.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 12, 2017, 06:45:58 PM
It seems to me that if there is a problem getting out issues of Jughead: The Hunger on a timely basis, then they should not even start publishing it. There should be no excuses, since the writer and artists have proven they can turn out pages on a normal deadline schedule.

If there turns out to be any holdup in putting out regular issues, you'll know that the logjam is a result of "no cash flow".

Good point

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 12, 2017, 10:11:50 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 12, 2017, 12:30:39 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 11, 2017, 08:40:40 PM

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on July 11, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
I have no idea but since Jughead: The Hunger will be drawn by Pat and Tim Kennedy instead of Hack or Francavilla, it has a decent shot at actually sticking to a regular publishing schedule.

As long as it isn't written by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. That probably has more to do with the 2-issues a year releases of AWA and ChAoS than Hack and Francavilla.

Which in other words bimonthly

Bi-monthly is every 2 months, terrence. Not even close. Twice a year is bi-annually. But that would be if either of those two titles came out twice a year. Last I checked, it was more like both AWA and ChAoS were coming out ONCE a year. What I really meant was that together, there are only about 2 issues of Archie Horror titles released every year -- one issue of AWA, and one of ChAoS.

Woah,No kidding! It's  really going to take a really long time to wait for another issue or storyarc of the series that it made me wonder if they should have released each storyarc of both Jughead:The hunger,chilling adventures of Sabrina and Afterlife with Archie as Graphic novels since you said it is Bi-annually.

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on July 11, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
I have no idea but since Jughead: The Hunger will be drawn by Pat and Tim Kennedy instead of Hack or Francavilla, it has a decent shot at actually sticking to a regular publishing schedule.

Yeah,so true and it will be drawn realistically unlike what is drawn from Life with Archie the married life

Quote from: Captain Jetpack on July 11, 2017, 04:51:44 PMNope-nope-nope.Don't believe it for a second.

Well,If Jughead:The hunger is not a Archie Horror title then it should have been a Black comedy horror series with a different brand under Archie's Madhouse making it a horror comedy series like the series which is named after but since it doesn't mention about.I still think Archie Horror will be renamed as Archie's Madhouse.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 11, 2017, 08:40:40 PM

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on July 11, 2017, 02:17:49 PM
I have no idea but since Jughead: The Hunger will be drawn by Pat and Tim Kennedy instead of Hack or Francavilla, it has a decent shot at actually sticking to a regular publishing schedule.

As long as it isn't written by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa. That probably has more to do with the 2-issues a year releases of AWA and ChAoS than Hack and Francavilla.

Which in other words bimonthly

Guys,You're not going to believe this but when I read the news about the announcement that Jughead:The Hunger the Archie Horror one shot is about to be a full series and is about to debut on Halloween this year.:http://io9.gizmodo.com/werewolf-jughead-will-return-for-his-own-ongoing-comic-1796810743

I discovered the brand logo that Archie Comic is about to unofficially 'unannounce'  that they are going to  rebrand Archie Horror as Archie's Madhouse which was named after the surreal science fiction horror comedy anthology series from 1959 to 1982.


And I have proof ,Here is the Archie Horror logo:





and here is the new name for Archie's Horror Brand 'Archie's Madhouse'





What do you think?Do you believe that Archie Horror is about to be rebranded as Archie's Madhouse

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 10, 2017, 05:32:31 AM
IDW is one of the existing companies that would be the best custodians of the Archie Comics legacy (the other candidates would be Dark Horse or Fantagraphics). Aside from appealing to collectors and those who are appreciative of comic books of the past, I can't see any sort of new floppy comic format series set in the 1940s or 1950s working, though. Its appeal is far too limited. Anything set in the past is a very tough sell in the current comic marketplace. A modified version of that approach, something like what was done with Batman the Animated Series, which is to create a sort of 'timeless' world where artifacts and fashions of the past coexist, blended with some more modern things (like computers and phones), might be more acceptable to the current comics market.

Well,It does work for Don Rosa when he made the stories and sequels based on Carl Barks's Duck stories as it takes in the exact era the Carl Barks comics were published as in the 50's but I think what you said about 'A modified version of that approach, something like what was done with Batman the Animated Series, which is to create a sort of 'timeless' world where artifacts and fashions of the past coexist' would work since it will take place in a mixture of the modern and 50's era ,When IDW owns the rights of Archie Comic incase the company goes bankrupt. I mean they did fine with Popeye but your are right it is difficult to choose who will own the rights of Archie comics,Dark Horse or IDW not Fantagraphics since the company just only publish Graphic novels.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 10, 2017, 05:32:31 AM
Still, the recent discontinuation of IDW's floppy comic versions of Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, and Walt Disney's Comics & Stories might be an omen -- IDW is replacing those floppy comic titles with more modern, less traditional, spins on the classic Disney characters, and converting WDC&S to a $7.95 prestige/bookshelf-format (squarebound, 68 page, slick cardstock-covered) comic, and combining Mickey & Donald into one comic in the same format, re-testing their acceptance in the marketplace on a quarterly schedule. There are definitely some parallels to be drawn between the classic Disney comics and classic Archie comics.

Woah,No kidding.Maybe the reason IDW comic book versions of Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, and Walt Disney's Comics & Stories is because no one is interested in those stories or maybe it's because there is not single american version of the disney comics like in the 50's to early 90's .As most of the stories come from Belgium and Italy and are translated into english.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 10, 2017, 05:32:31 AM
If anything though, I'm more and more convinced that what works for the comic shop/comic book collector audience does not work for the expansion of comics into the general marketplace. The idea of getting a 20-page continuity (that isn't usually even a complete story in itself) for $4 is just not conducive to reaching out to the many potential comics readers out in the real world. NO retailers want to carry that product except for comic shop retailers (because they are pre-motivated sellers), and it's necessary for genres other than action/adventure type comic books to find those readers outside of the insular culture of comic book fandom. Casual comics readership needs to become a real possibility, with easy accessibility to the product, complete done-in-one stories, and a product with more pages that looks and feels like a substantial entertainment experience (that is more likely to be perceived by the average person as good value for money) for the comics reading experience to be considered viable by the average reader who hasn't been immersed in decades of comic book culture.

Since comic book collectors have come to accept the floppy comic format, and indeed prefer it, as the format of choice, they are completely blind to the many detractions it holds for the average person. The idea of needing to get the next issue, and the next, and the next... before you have a complete story.  The very fact that no retailers outside of comic book store owners want to carry that format ought to have been telling the comic book industry that, 30 or more years ago, but it was easier for publishers to persist in producing the same-old, same-old, as long there remained a rabid cult audience which demanded that very format for comics, because decades of programming made them comfortable with the thing they were most familiar with. The floppy comic was a good and economically-viable model for casual readers for a few decades, but has grown increasingly less so since at least the 1970s, and the industry just doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that the price-point/page-count/accessibility of purchase (non-direct distribution) issue is the one biggest thing that CAN be changed to get comics back out of the comic shop and into the real world of average readers.

Good point

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 09, 2017, 01:38:23 PM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 09, 2017, 01:01:41 PM
That's true though people will probably ignore the digest and just look online at previous issues instead,Since Digest are probably outdated.

When you say "people", you assume they all think like you do, and love comics in the "floppy comic format" only. Comics readers outside of comic book store consumers have no special attachment to that format. "Outdated" is just an opinion. It means nothing. What's important is that these "outdated" digests are selling to, and being read by, far more people than the current "modern" ARCHIE floppy comic book. Because they're being sold in stores where people are going to buy things anyway, not to collectors making lists of what comics they want and making special trips to a special store to purchase that one type of product. Those "outdated" readers (many of whom are kids, or the parents of kids) probably won't be reading their comics online. If I had to take a guess, I'd say it's a habit that gets passed down from a parent to a child, and/or a purchase that gets made for a child by a parent in a lot of cases. For many of those, these would be the only comics they see outside of a newspaper comic section.

Otherwise why waste the company's money on the 48 printers' bills they have to pay every year to put them out? Couldn't they spend the same money on bills for printing floppy comics instead? But of course that would cost even more, because then they have to fill another 15 pages of comics with new material that needs to be paid for -- for an audience in comic book stores, that doesn't really care about Archie anyway, new or old.

It's funny how those digests keep getting recycled into variant formats like Archie Giant Comics or Archie 1000-Page Comics digests, and this is a recent phenomenon that's only happened in the last 3-4 years. I would guess that's because bookstore and chain store customers wanted more and bigger Archie digests, and digests that would have a shelf-life beyond the next issue. Judging by the number of them released so far, you can't argue that that's probably THE company's biggest success of recent years, in terms of pure profit.

You  might have a good point there.Though I still think that in about few years,Digests will no longer be in newsstand as the company will focus more on their comics and graphic novels in both bookstores and comic book stores instead.




But still, What do you think if Archie Comics is being sold by IDW in case the former was about to go bankrupt due to low sales and low ratings on the TV show ,Think about it  IDW will make a new comedy period piece on Archie where it will take place in the 40's and 50's since those eras were considered Archie's popular period.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 09, 2017, 10:54:08 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 09, 2017, 07:21:01 AM
Maybe I guess the reason Diamond doesn't add Digests into their stats is because they think Digest are just relics of the past for which they are.

It has nothing to do with any prejudicial attitude towards the digest format on the part of Diamond Comics. They distribute hundreds of products every single week, but they don't produce a monthly sales report detailing the sales on every single item they distribute.

It's much simpler than that. They only list sales for the top 300+ or so publications (and there is a separate list for trade collections) that they distributed every month, so things that sold fewer copies fall off the bottom of the list, because that data becomes irrelevant when the numbers get too small. Archie's digests aren't on Diamond's sales reports lists because they sell very poorly -- in comic book shops -- compared to other comics they carry. So yes, the digests sell even worse than those floppy comic titles ACP is cancelling in comic book stores. The purpose of Diamond reporting their sales list is so that comic shop retailers can know which comics are selling well (or not so well) in stores other than their own, which would help them make decisions about which comics they should preorder (or RE-order) from Diamond, and in what quantities. If Diamond were to report sales on every single product they distribute, the list would be thousands of items long, with some products selling less than 1000 units.

But Archie's digests (unlike their floppy-format comic books) aren't dependent on Diamond Comic Distributors for the majority of their sales, because Diamond sells its products mainly to independent comic shops -- and there are only about 2000 or so of those stores in North America. Archie digests are mainly sold in other diverse retail chain stores, where they sell much better than they do in comic book stores.

That's true though people will probably ignore the digest and just look online at previous issues instead,Since Digest are probably outdated.Still if Archie comics is closed down because of low sales in the near future maybe the only hope is to have it sold to IDW so that the company will revive the series as a humour period piece taking place in the 40's and 50's since this is the era where Archie gain popularity.