Archie because he keeps stringing Betty and Veronica along.

I would love to see a more manga inspired Archie from artists such as Shouri and Gisele. I'd like to see some of the Jem and the holograms' artists such as Sophie Campbell and Jen Bartel.

I blame social media and he internet too. It just takes up so much of our time. I know I used to read a lot more as a kid than I do now but I also didn't have a job then. I think social media influences kids today in that they won't read something if it's not deemed cool. I know that stopped a lot of people from reading the Jem and the Holograms comic because the movie bombed. Even though the comic is awesome.

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It's kind of hard to argue with the fact that they managed to fool a couple thousand comic shop retailers into ordering over 100,000 copies of ARCHIE #1, so that's got to count for something (many of those comics are probably still sitting in retailers' back rooms in unopened boxes). Still, make enough variant covers of a comic and hype it enough, and you can trick them into buying almost anything. You have to wonder if that doesn't sour a lot of retailers on the company going forward, though.

I guess if the company could survive the To Riverdale and Back Again TV-movie in 1990, they can live through another awful TV pilot. It's not as if they're tying up their own money in it.

Every comic shop I've been to in several different states Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, and now Ohio has piles of random Archie number 1 variants and has had them for months. That 100,000 number is probably the number comic shops ordered. Who knows how many they actually sold.

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Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.

Do you think most people who are reading digital are purchasing them individually or do you feel they choose the Unlimited monthly method?

Most probably use unlimited as it's way cheaper.

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Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



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Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.

Judging by this message board I think most Archie readers are males in their 40s and 50s. A few kids do come here but get bored quickly and leave. The same thing probably happens while they are reading Archie comics too.

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Quote from: kassandralove on April 08, 2016, 12:33:22 AM
I wonder what the ratio is of kids vs adult readers for Archie
Are teenagers actually reading Archie? Or is it us older fans who have been reading for years..



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Little kids still make up the largest share of Archie's audience. The digests remain their financial backbone.


Archie, however, is ignoring both of these facts by letting the digests deteriorate and by foolishly pursuing the adult audience of the direct sales market.

That's so disappointing the digests are the best thing and really the only ones I buy. I find there is so many of the same like 10 retro panels put into each new issue that keep getting recycled and there isn't a lot of verity. I tend to just buy now from used book stores and stock up on all my digests.

Where are all these used bookstores that have digests? I can't find them anywhere. The only thing I can find are the floppies.

Wonder how many copies the digital collections are selling.

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The #'s listed above for the two reboots have to be a real disappointment for ACP. That is a huge decline from the first issue of Archie, but I imagine they were expecting that. I don't know if they would have expected it to be down to just over 18,000 just after issue #6 though. The Jughead reboot didn't even really start off that great and is also on a huge decline just after 3 issues. If these fail or even just the Jughead reboot fails what impact will this have on the Betty and Veronica Reboot?

18,000?  that's still 5 times what the old title was selling the last couple of years

2 things: It's TWICE, not 5 times what the average issue sold in 2014. Sales fell from the first issue to the second more than 70%, and from the 2nd issue to the 6th another 40%. That's only in the space of 7 months! So how many copies will it be selling a year from now? Two years from now? Because that's about as long as you can expect it to last.

OK, sorry, I could swear I remember issues that were reported selling 3500.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Either way, I won't be surprised if the reboots run their course quickly.  Going back to the classic style probably won't work though.  There's a reason they tried the reboot in the first place.

I don't think they will go back to the Classic Style either. As you have seen with the numbers on the other chart over the decades when they were doing the Classic style the numbers have drastically dropped. I have no idea what they will try next.

Here's the basic problem. There are enough "people out there" who like Classic Style Archie... and when I say "people out there" I don't mean 'people in there' -- i.e. the people 'inside the comic book hobby' who read the kind of comic books that comic book shop customers prefer to read. The intersection of those two sets is marginally small (...and when I say "people" I'm talking about a large percentage of them being kids). Probably a large enough chunk of the adult comic hobbyists are already here on this board, or blogging about Archie on various websites.

So the problem is to get classic Archie out where it's within arm's reach of the average potential customers (who aren't going to make a trip to the comic book store), AND to make it available at price point and in a format that's palatable to those consumers (and what I'm strongly hinting here is that to those consumers, $3-4 for a 20-page floppy comic is NOT palatable, even could you put those kind of comics within their reach... and you can't even do that, really). So, something like a digest, that has more pages and is more substantial than a floppy, but also more new material as well, to keep a contemporary connection to the world inhabited by kids.

Those adult comic hobbyists (like myself) need to be marketed to, also... if the material is choice, the toll will be paid for upscale formats.

In-between those two extremes are the digital people, both younger and older. If you had every Archie story from the last 60 years digitized, indexed and archived with full credits and original sources cited, you could sell individual stories (a typical 5 or 6-pager) for as little as 50 cents each, or let people pick stories ala carte for a set price (cheaper the more stories you buy), and then just track what's selling, looking for trends and categories to group them into. Then start publishing collections according to which characters, artists, eras, or themes are proving popular. Let every digital customer preview the first two pages of story (except for those that are that short to begin with), then decide to buy it, pass, or add to their basket for a bundle rate after they're done picking. The problem with digital now is there's too much duplication of stories in different collections, and most of those collections don't have contents listed, writers and artists or dates of original publication listed. Everything should be linked so you could find stories according to characters, writers, or artists. Since ACP is not, for the most part, selling graphic novels composed of a lot of longer, continued stories that make up some natural collection, they need to get it all sorted and indexed, so they can see what is actually attractive to customers and what isn't.

The funny thing is that fans are doing the indexing for ACP for free on comics.org.

Quote from: invisifan on April 09, 2016, 07:48:33 AM
Fernando's debut on "Eerie Cuties" starts here. And it is essentially independent/a good jumping on point ...

Good. Haven't been that into eerie cuties in the past.

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Princeless Vol 2 and 3 - #3 featured my favorite character: Raven.

Yeah, I consider Book 3 to really be Raven Book 0 ... did you read the short stories book which shows their first meeting from a slightly different view?

That and Vol #4 are on my TBR list.

The short stories are all either between books 2 & 3 or (fairly important) backstory; each has a different artist (all female except The Smiths) with a large variety of styles ...

Read these 2 now. Princeless Vol 4 and the Short stories tpb. Kinda disappointed in these. I didn't really understand where the story is going in Vol 4. Onto the new Princeless series now Make Yourself.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on April 08, 2016, 05:29:47 PM
Freaks and Geeks, the Discos and Dragons episode.

Love this show!

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I would love to see the "Freshman Year" for her they were going to do but never did 

Batton Lash seemed to be off in his own little pocket dimension of the Archie Multiverse, and nothing he devised for the mythos seems to have been taken to heart by any of the other Archie writers and acknowledged or incorporated in any way. "The Missing Chapters" seems to have been the last of his work for Archie, as well. In fact, as far as I can tell, Archie Meets The Punisher, "House of Riverdale" (a.k.a. Archie's Haunted House), and "Freshman Year" and its sequel "The Missing Chapters" seem to comprise the entirety of his work for ACP.

I suspect Lash's main connection with ACP was through a previous editor who is no longer employed by the company.

Where can I read this: Cheryl Blossom's Freshman year?

Reading lots of manga:
Orange
Yamada kun and the 7 Witches
LDK

Quote from: Mr.Lodge on April 07, 2016, 11:56:54 PM
Anything that looks interesting EXCEPT superhero comics. I can't stand superhero comics. 

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