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I read Archie Double Digest 269, the one with Fernando's final Archie story. "Happiness is a Clean Pup" about Archie and Jughead starting their own dog washing business.












Pretty soon they expand their business to washing cats:





Obviously the story is funny and Fernando's art is as great as ever. Now we won't be seeing it in any new ACP stories anymore and no need to say to anyone here how much this sucks. Coincidental that this story comes out the same day that ACP announces their new Josie reboot as if as distraction, maybe when Dan Parent does his last story we'll get news of a Reggie reboot. With Reggie in juvie hall or maybe the psych ward if that isn't too tame for them by then.

Started reading that yesterday as well. Usually I sit and read the whole digest (Annuals and Jumbos included) in one sitting, but for some reason I fell asleep after reading (I guess) about 50 pages (it was in the middle of the Statue of Liberty story).

And now I'm wondering just what happened to that B&V FRIENDS DOUBLE DIGEST #248, and if I will ever see it, or if it was cancelled with no announcement.

How was the rest of that Archie digest? Does it have a lot of summer themed stories?


B&V Friends 248 has been out digitally since 5/25/2016. I've already read it. I'm not sure about the print version. Maybe they are testing the waters to see if people will buy digests digitally now. Or there is some new embargo before the print copies get released.

Not really, the closest was an old story where Veronica, Mr. Lodge and Archie are sitting by the pool but most of it doesn't even take place there.

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on June 07, 2016, 06:39:36 PM

Don't get me wrong. I am still against the CW's show. I don't like it one bit, but I think, for me, a Betty/Reggie pairing would be the only redeemable thing. And I am still pissed off at Reggie's casting choice.

I don't like the casting either, Reggie should have a sharp edge to his looks and this guy is like a junior Brendan Fraser or something, he has all the menace of a giant panda. I'm sure he's a nice guy and maybe he's a good actor but to me he's not Reggie. But I think his Reggie might be a good match for Betty since he has such a "nice guy vibe." 






Here's a story where Reggie isn't nice to Betty like he usually is but I thought it was funny and it's a story I would be okay with my favorite couples in so I hope no one minds. Besides it goes with the jerk Jughead story I posted in the Jughead Veronica thread.

Is it just me or does Veronica put up with a LOT more from Jughead than he does from her?

Classic cover, not so classic story.

I think they might be cousins.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 04:00:52 AM

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Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).

Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.

Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on.

That said, not all of anyone's (real person or fictional character) behavior is rationalized/articulated in some interior monologue or even conscious. There are layers.

Personally, I miss the "thought balloon", which has fallen out of favor in recent times in comic books. Just because some writers have used them badly doesn't mean they don't serve a good purpose when used creatively. I also miss the covers with word balloons.

Yeah I miss those covers too. Thought balloons don't look as serious as captions so I guess for a story like this they're forbidden. I shouldn't have said I'm against ANY serious Archie exposition of interior mindset, it could work but with this story I was underwhelmed.

I read Archie Double Digest 269, the one with Fernando's final Archie story. "Happiness is a Clean Pup" about Archie and Jughead starting their own dog washing business.












Pretty soon they expand their business to washing cats:





Obviously the story is funny and Fernando's art is as great as ever. Now we won't be seeing it in any new ACP stories anymore and no need to say to anyone here how much this sucks. Coincidental that this story comes out the same day that ACP announces their new Josie reboot as if as distraction, maybe when Dan Parent does his last story we'll get news of a Reggie reboot. With Reggie in juvie hall or maybe the psych ward if that isn't too tame for them by then.

Go to Media->my Media->My Albums and once in your album pick Delete Album from the right column.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:40:41 AM

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:30:02 AM

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Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).

Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

I meant it's a shame we don't get that kind of insight into their interior mindset, not that particular one that RA-S (Al Ghul  ) has assigned to his version of Reggie in AWA.

Oh I know you meant that, Im just not for exposition of their interior mindset no matter what it is, unless it's a joke.


RA-S al Ghul, I might use that from now on.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 02:19:02 AM

Quote from: daren on June 06, 2016, 02:01:47 AM
In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

I don't. It's HIS version of Reggie. I'm merely pointing out that that in classic Archie you don't get a view of the interior POV of how Reggie sees himself (and FAR fewer clues to go on, as applied to Midge).

Well you said in a way it's a shame Roberto's take couldn't apply to the classic characters so I assumed.

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Apart from being somewhat inconsistent in and of themselves, depending on which stories about Reggie from which time periods you pick and choose from, you can build a picture of a couple of different Reggies, by grouping certain classic Archie stories together to build your case. In one version, for example, a bunch of different stories reinforce the idea that the egotism and rotteness is a sham (Christmas stories where Reggie doesn't want the gang to discover he's really doing good deeds in secret, because it will ruin his reputation as king of the a-holes).

Yeah they do that with Veronica sometimes too. I don't think I like that, the idea that Reggie and Ronnie's characters are a facade because what have they got then?

Maybe but it wouldnt' surprise me if this was on purpose.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 01, 2016, 12:46:36 AM

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It also gives you more insight into both Midge's and Reggie's characters than has been the case in 75 years of classic Archie stories,

How?

... I don't know, maybe it's because in classic Archie stories, we don't get a single clue as to what's going on in Midge's (especially Midge... who, in classic Archie stories is far more of a prop than an actual character) and Reggie's heads.

QuoteMidge is largely a blank slate anyway, so any writer would be free to fill in the blanks however he so chose, within the very loose framework of the Moose/Midge/Reggie triangle. That said, even in the classic Archie stories there's not a single hint that Midge is just using Reggie like she is in AWA.

There's clues upon clues to their motivations. For instance Reggie stares in the mirror and brags constantly=he's narcissistic. He does mean things=he's sadistic. Add those things together=psychopathic behavior. He chases Midge all the time even though it's dangerous=he loves or at least wants her. Midge is with Moose all the time even though he's stupid and violent=she loves him or at least needs him. She's disgusted with Reggie half the time but open to his advances the other half=she doesn't respect Reggie but needs a break from Moose's stupidity and violence so uses Reggie. There's other possible reasons for their behavior but these are the most obvious, I know I've seen Reggie called psychopathic sometimes and other people on the old board posted about Midge using Reggie to take a break from Midge. It's blatant.

QuoteWell, 99% of the time, anyway. I think the story with Harper was probably more characterization (apart from the usual "egotistical/dirty trickster" attributes) than Reggie usually gets about 99% of the time. But the story here pretty much spells it out for you...

Yeah you can say that again.

Quote"Nobody thinks of themselves as a villain." Only in classic Archie stories, we really don't get to see much about how Reggie really sees himself and how he he justifies his behavior in his own mind. On the other hand, I'm sure if I wanted to go back to 1960s stories where Reggie had thought balloons that said things like "EVIL", or "BLACKNESS RISING in my heart", I could probably build a case that (for a period of time, anyway) he DID think of himself as the villain.

There's a lot of stories where Reggie brags about how bad he is. One Christmas story for instance that does the same kind of thing this arc is obviously heading for, sets Reggie up as an a-hole who thinks of himself as just that and tells his friends what a douche he is, then sees a crying little kid and helps him out. The main difference is that Frank Doyle (yeah him again) doesn't tell us this directly in voiceover or present it as an earthshaking revelation, he knows we can figure it out ourselves and that it's sweet but corny (just like Afterlife) so he tells it in six pages and moves on.

In classic Archie we don't get it spelled out for us, we get clues and put it together. That's a good thing. I don't know why you'd want Roberto's exposition in this issue to become part of the classic canon, not only is it not as good as letting us make deductions for ourselves but it would limit Reggie's character.

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Quoteso it's kind of a shame that none of that realy applies to the classic versions of the characters.

Everything important we learn about their characters in this issue (Midge using Reggie when she gets frustrated with Moose, Reggie thinking he might be psychopathic and being in love with Midge) already applies to their characters, it's just that the classic Archie writers always showed it to us instead of telling us. The story where Midge says her parents are divorcing or even the story we talked about earlier where Reggie's mother fawned over his narcissism, I would call those insightful because they gave us new possible reasons for why Midge and Reggie act as they do but theyre reasons most people probably never thought of before, unlike the Afterlife backstory.

QuoteAfter Reggie comes back to the group, feigning remorse and contriteness in order to effect his plan of killing Betty, he's shunned by everyone except Archie, Betty and Kevin (and possibly, even Archie won't be willing to forgive him). Who is the most likely to reach out to him with forgiveness, sympathy and understanding? Betty Cooper, that's who. When Reggie realizes she's the only one who isn't judging him for his sins, he begins to realize just what a good person she is, and reflecting on his times with Midge, that she only ever really used him for her own purposes. He was planning to go through with his bargain and kill Betty, but now he finds himself falling in love with her...

Yeah Reggie won't be able to make himself kill Betty because she's the hope or holy one, I would say that if Reggie's going to fall in love with someone it'll probably be either Betty or, what do you think--Kevin? See this artist Gabbie Gross, the one who did BettyReggie's avatar and sig, has this whole blog arguing that Reggie in Afterlife is gay or bi and in love with Kevin: http://hireggiebireggie.tumblr.com/post/144892443723/the-case-for-a-bisexual-reggie-in-afterlife-with and she did lots of gay fan arts of the two as a couple including a whole fan comic, you can see them all here: http://gabbiegross.tumblr.com/ This surprised me because she says Betty/Reggie is her favorite Archie couple but Reggie is her favorite Archie character, I guess she likes to ship him with everybody (and girls love slash), she does make a fair argument that Reggie/Kevin might happen in Afterlife if they're looking for new boundaries to cross.

You're confusing me, Daren. At first you seem to be arguing that these characters (apart from the more serious tone of AWA) are pretty much the exact same characters as they are in classic Archie stories. Then you start talking about Reggie killing Betty or falling in love with her, or maybe even turning out to be gay... so clearly they're NOT the same characters, because none of those things are "in character" for 'classic Reggie'.

I said in this issue not in the whole series. Of course Roberto went strange places with the characters earlier and might do it again by making Reggie gay, I don't care if he does or not and I don't see him as gay in canon but this is AU so maybe theyll surprise us.

I don't know, I just saw the ad.

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Most likely the colourist (or whoever made the decision) barely read any Archie stories, skimmed this one and thought ''Leroy is a stereotypical black name" and away you go ...

No, I don't think the colorists are even looking at the names. Even if he/she failed to recognize Leroy as Veronica's cousin, it's part of the plot of the story that Veronica is willing to pay $20 for a cup of lemonade from Jughead, because she's been alerted to his exorbitant prices by her cousin. Of course she's sure he's up to something and just wants to ruin it for him. The reader isn't expected to recognize Leroy by sight either (he's wearing a skateboarding helmet), so he's introduced in the panel before he shows up by Jughead thinking "Oh great, here comes Veronica's bratty cousin", then Jughead addresses him by name in the next panel.

But just because Leroy's Ronnie's cousin doesn't mean he'd automatically be white, look at Harper. The only thing that should keep him white is that he's been drawn that way 70 years and it's too late to racechange him (yes it is, ACP, I bet this wasn't accidental at all).

Yuck.