I liked the original title. It was quite apt. 

I just saw this thread and I'm disappointed I didn't join in the fun sooner.



It shouldn't be too hard to find panels of Archie being a clod.

Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
Zdarsky says in a tweet that he thinks Jughead is "asexual with aromantic leanings" and that if Jughead was older he'd probably make him asexual but not aromantic. Yeah a lot of people wouldnt like it if Jughead started dating in the reboot, unfortunately that book probably won't last long enough for his sexuality to matter. Someone posted the sales figures recently and I'd guess it's only got a few years left. I'd like to think the tv show will help but I doubt it will much. 


Even as bad as things are for classic Archie right now, that's probably the version with the best chance of surviving, maybe with some changes and hopefully another 32 pager someday. I don't know if ACP will ever call classic Jughead asexual but I guess it would be a good idea, it would give some representation without changing anything about him since "asexual" as I guess you know covers everything from aromantics to demisexuals and occasional primary sexual attraction (classic Archie wouldnt be obvious about that now, but in the future they might pull anything).


But yeah, ACP would never make classic Jughead strictly aromantic for the reason you said, it cuts off potential stories. I don't think even most advocates of asexual Jughead want that with all the Jughead ship art I've seen them post lately. I'd be happy with all-aro classic Jughead but I'm okay with almost all aro since most people want him to have some romantic potential.




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Okay, I went looking for Jughead/Veronica fan art, there isn't any, but I found this:







Bob Montana didn't intend for Jughead to be completely aromantic. That clinches it, creator intent counts for a lot with me, not everything but a lot.

Dan Parent has a theory



I can definitely get behind this

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It's the whole "WYSIWYG" thing — the text is changed to graphics before being displayed, so there's nothing to cache when you leave the page — and personally I hate it even when just trying to type normally it's a major pain  You can't see what you're really doing, and have to fight with it to get it to display properly, and it only works half the time anyway, which is why a "Preview" button is still necessary. And it's much worse if you have to  try to use it from a portable device ...

While some people may find it adequate or even helpful, we should have an option (in profile perhaps) to use the text BBCode.

You can disable the WYSIWYG feature in your profile. Go to your profile then go to Modify Profile -> Look and Layout and uncheck the "Show WYSIWYG editor on post page by default" box.

I was wondering about this! Thanks!

Quote from: Chic Cooper on May 23, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
More for the Jughead/Veronica feud ship thread. 

Seems like you know the purpose of this thread. 

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Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
...I wonder why there's no Jughead Veronica fan art, it seems like a popular ship? 

From what I've seen online, the Jughead/Betty ship is more popular?

Original Sin posted some fun ones, we had a thread on the old site. There is this on tumblr for the new Archie series. This is a thumbnail I saved from one that the artist took down:


The artist is BehindtheVeil at deviantart but I don't know if he or she has an account there anymore.

My friend made me a cute one but I'll have to track down the physical copy since I think I only posted it on the old site.

Here's two more. If I can muster enough courage I might post one I posted on the old site.

I think outside of this site Betty/Jughead is more popular than Jughead/Veronica and Betty/Reggie but we're a more passionate bunch here. 

Quote from: daren on May 21, 2016, 07:40:36 PM

I like to think of him as aromantic but I know he isn't completely. There's been at least ten stories or so where he's heteroromantic, not much but even a small amount makes a difference. If Veronica had ten lesbian romances in her history we wouldn't call her hetero, and if Kevin fell in love with a girl we'd probably call him bi.

Good points. Jughead has had plenty of heterosexual romances, and I agree with DeCarlo Rules here, it's way more than ten. So I guess it is kind of odd many are firm about him being aromantic.



My ambivalence comes from the fact that it has been explicitly stated in the new Jughead that he is asexual, and that has less to do with me being against aromantic Jughead and more about me being a bit protective of classic Archie. I am 100% supportive of the reboots but one of things I loved about classic Archie was that you could find stories that fit in with stuff you liked, for example stories that supported the idea of Betty/Reggie or Jughead/Veronica (the most popular pairings here), or you could find stories that supported the opposite, if that was your thing.


I guess a new writer can come in and have Jughead have his sexual awakening but I think that would let a lot of people down. Having Jughead definitively say he's asexual (and I think Zdarsky means aromantic too) shuts the door on a lot of storylines.

Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 11:12:38 PM
But he overcame it just like she will.    And yeah, no evidence Veronica could rebuild a fortune like that since a lot depends on luck but I think she would TRY and under all her problems she has a lot of will and brains.

I agree. Even if Veronica matured and became less materialistic, she's still accustomed to a certain lifestyle and there's no way you could take it away from her without her kicking and screaming.

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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:47:58 AM
On the other hand, if some twist of fate were to reduce Veronica to working for a living, there's no real evidence that she could make a fortune starting from scratch. We're not even entirely sure that Hiram Lodge didn't start out with certain benefits and advantages to get the snowball of his vast fortune rolling.

Yeah most stories that go there say he did.



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While I do prefer old money Lodges, some modern stories have Hiram working his way up from nothing. Then there was this gag I really liked from one story where Archie asked Mr. Lodge where he got all his money, and Veronica chimes in to say he married her mom who had $40 million.

Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 11:29:02 PM
I doubt it, they're not putting it in the publicity now and they weren't able to find a deaf actor like they wanted.


They're being vague about what his sexuality will be, the closest they've come to an answer is what Cole Sprouse says here:


http://riverdaily.tumblr.com/post/144621196202/cole-sprouse-answering-whether-or-not-jughead-will


They'll probably try to please everyone by having him seem to be a biromantic asexual who tries dating everyone and finally decides in the last episode that he's aromantic.

Thanks for the info, daren! You're awesome. I'm still on the fence about aromantic asexual Jughead.

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Relevant out of context panels

To think of all the people who say Veronica never helps the needy!

  *screaming* If I had a drink, I'd have spit out.

Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:19:19 AM
He looks pained.

But not so much here

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Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:56:24 AM
So we've been seeing a few pictures of these two Riverdale actors together at public events lately...







Do Jughead-Veronica feud fans want to see them feud on the show too, or is this whole trip so different that it doesn't matter to you? Because I know some of my usual inclinations are dead thanks to plot/casting decisions.

In the context of what I already know about Riverdale, it would seem like the most likely scenario would involve Veronica having sex with Jughead, but trying to keep the affair secret from everyone (or maybe it's Jughead who insists on keeping it secret). Just remember that in Riverdale, every day is "opposite day".

We can only hope!  LOL

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Even though Veronica can be irresponsible with money she has shown good business acumen. If she lost her fortune (though I don't see that happening) I could see her attach herself to Jughead and handle the business side of his burger chain. I can see Jughead being content to just take over Pop's but I can see Veronica pushing him to dream bigger.


Despite the "Crash of 2020" bit I think this story is originally from the '80s. On that note, I don't really see Betty and Archie having three kids by twenty-eight. I like Betty as a writer and as a teacher so I think she could do both. I would like to see her as a successful novelist and English/Creative Writing teacher.


Since Reggie's dad is a newspaper man, I want to see him become a writer as well, maybe an investigative journalist, or a sitcom writer since we've seen him do stand up.

I just saw this one a couple of days ago for the first time. I'm not sure if it was ever posted here.
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Quote from: daren on May 20, 2016, 03:56:24 AM
Do Jughead-Veronica feud fans want to see them feud on the show too, or is this whole trip so different that it doesn't matter to you? Because I know some of my usual inclinations are dead thanks to plot/casting decisions.

Since Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa is writing it I think there will be antagonism. I mean there has to be, Mark Waid and Chip Zdarsky are taking advantage of it. It's in Afterlife with Archie too which RAS writes so I would actually be quite surprised if they got along fine in Riverdale, but I can't say I'm not trepidatious about how they might present it. I would like it to be more like their relationship in classic Archie where they still consider themselves friends even though they bicker, instead of the outright dislike they display in new Archie and Afterlife with Archie.

As far as romance goes, I'd have to see the show in order to determine whether I would be into it or not, but so far my inclination is no the more I hear about Riverdale.

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Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 20, 2016, 05:27:20 AMIn the context of what I already know about Riverdale, it would seem like the most likely scenario would involve Veronica having sex with Jughead, but trying to keep the affair secret from everyone (or maybe it's Jughead who insists on keeping it secret). Just remember that in Riverdale, every day is "opposite day".

I'm not exactly on top of all the Riverdale news but have they released anything in regards to Jughead's sexuality? Chip Zdarsky has him as asexual, and others see him as gay, will he be straight in Riverdale? Since this show is the brainchild of RAS and Greg Berlanti, I can see some Glee or Dawson's Creek type thing where the protagonist's (Archie) best friend (Jughead) dates one of his girlfriends (Betty, Veronica) a la Puck and Quinn, and Pacey and Joey. Maybe you're not too far off, DeCarlo Rules.


By the way, is Jughead still supposed to be hard of hearing?

There was a topic here previously about where we saw the gang in the future.


This story was posted and we kind of discussed things from there









Do you think Betty was right? Where do you see or where would you like to see the gang in ten years when they're twenty-eight?

I, for one, think Betty was being petty here with Veronica. She lost Archie and her fortune? I think she'd be spending her time trying to her wealth back, not that there is anything wrong with owning and operating a dress shop. I just see young Veronica being more ambitious than that.

I agree with Betty on Moose and Midge though.

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I like Jughead but he needs not win every time.

Well Reggie does have neglectful parents