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Messages - daren
« on: January 12, 2017, 04:13:14 pm »
Hi everybody, sorry I dropped off so suddenly and thanks for the questions about what happened, I was on hiatus from Archie fandom because my life got way too busy but I'm sort of getting back into it now. I hope you guys are all okay, the stuff I've seen lately about the new tv show scares the crap out of me.
I also wanted to say I'm taking part in Fandom Trumps Hate, a fan art/ fanfic fundraiser for some marginalized groups that might be affected by our new commander in chief. Sorry to any of his fans on this board, I don't like him.
If anybody wants to commission fan art or something like that from me to raise money for a good cause then PM me. You can read more about it at fandomtrumpshate.tumblr.com, there's a list of charities to pick from, I support most of them so almost any one would be good. They have a lot of other artists and fan writers too if you want to check them out. Peace.
« on: July 19, 2016, 02:41:42 am »
« on: July 08, 2016, 03:42:50 am »
here's my thought (not that you guys care, but whatever). I both agree and disagree with Musical Necrophilia. He/She/It makes a valid point when they say its not that good of a reboot. As do I agree with you daren, when it comes to the term "when" it dies. My thought is thus, what if ACP still did the reboot, but instead of having multiple floppies, they just make it all into one big digest, that they either release monthly, or bi-monthly (6 per year)? I personally think that would work. Plus, charge $10 to $15 per issue for it, (256 or so NEW pages of Stories) (Mmm Mmm Mmm)!
Love it! Please do this ACP. And make the stories Life with Kevin like.
I'd like it to happen but a lot of people wouldn't buy it because not everyone is into every reboot.
« on: July 06, 2016, 01:47:46 am »
He also wrote the Spire Christian Comics were Reggie date raped a girl. That made me think he might not like them much.
Okay I think I found the site that might have given you that idea. http://80pagegiant.blogspot.com/2011/09/archie-metaphors-sex-and-al-hartley.html Are those the panels?
I also found the page they come from.
In context it doesn't look like date rape. The Jughead oranges story is more like a metaphor for a guy who tells girls he loves them to get them to sleep with him, it doesn't work as analogy for rape. Besides it would make more sense for this sermon to tell girls "don't put out just because a guy says he loves you" (standard Christian warning) than to say "don't get date raped," there's no way a girl can avoid that unless she doesn't go on dates or doesn't kiss boys in cars, the other story on that site shows Al wasn't against girls going on dates and kissing boys in cars. It DOES look skeevy that Reggie's jumping on her with a sneering smile but he always drew Reggie sneering and always put characters in that pose when they're going after something they want, it probably symbolizes Reggie's a predator in the emotional not physical sense.
I just found another site where this story is discussed: http://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/archie-goes-there-talkback.5224681/
and someone else says the same thing I'm saying, he also points out the lipstick marks on Reggie's face and the girl's appearance are probably meant to show it wasn't rape, a good point. (Then another guy says date rape victims don't always look raped and that kiss marks are just comics shorthand for sexual activity of any kind, well actually, they're just shorthand for CONSENSUAL making out, what comics would use them to convey rape? I mean you might see them in real life date rape and yeah, real victims don't always look victimized but in cartoons they do, the cartoonists tend to make sure we know what happened. Al Hartley's drawn rape victims in other stories and they did not just look bewildered with messy hair like this girl. Then this guy tries to claim Al mixed his metaphors (why?) and was "too stuck in the 50s to understand that date rape was what he was portraying", er, if he didn't understand he was portraying it then it's probably not what he was portraying. At this point I just can't take him seriously, for some reason he's hellbent on seeing the worst in Al no matter how weak his arguments are, same for the site that took those two panels out of context. I guess they're venting in revenge for all the Spire comics or something. )
I think the most important point the other guy makes is that Al Hartley wasn't the kind of guy who would show Reggie raping someone (if ACP even would have let him, unlikely). Frank Doyle is the one who came closest to writing Reggie as an in-context date rapist, Al's portrayals of him weren't that bad.
Yeah, that was the story I am referring to, and I know Al Hartley probably didn't intend to make Reggie a rapist but that's definitely what it looks like, and at the very least it looks like sexual assault as the girl never looks willing. I don't want to get too into here but I agree with that poster you're talking about even if Al Hartley didn't intend to portray sexual assault, that's exactly what he did. It's just like the Game of Thrones controversy where the audience interpreted a scene as rape though the creators denied it but honestly where is the ambivalence if the woman in question is constantly saying no, trying to fight him off, and then crying for him to stop? The girl in question looks terrified that Reggie is coming at her and the other panel we see her in she is upset.
I can see what you mean, I think back then he never thought anyone would believe an Archie main five character would rape anyone, rape probably just was not a possibility for a member of the Archies in that more innocent time and I don't think ACP would have allowed him to draw that, I think he relied on everyone knowing that and interpreting it as Reggie just being greedy and selfish and like I said predatory in the emotional sense. I didn't think she looked upset in the last panel comparing her to the rape victims Al Hartley's drawn in other stories. I guess we have to agree to disagree, I admit Al Hartley should have been more careful about how he drew this scene, it does LOOK reminisent of rape, he should have known some people would see it that way.I think the scene you describe from Game of Thrones is a little different, we don't see this girl saying no, telling Reggie to stop or fighting him off and we don't see what happens after he leaps at her. Dammit Al why couldn't you have been clearer
« on: July 01, 2016, 06:27:11 am »
So far I've only read the preview pages online. I have to say I'm a little put off by the limited coloring choice -- to be honest, it seems a little pretentious, like it's trying to make it look less like "classic Archie" and more like "alternative comic".
I think I'll probably wait for the print edition. To tell the truth, I'm still hoping they'll reconsider and go with traditional coloring on the print version.
Come on De, if they don't sell enough of the digital version there might not be a print edition, I'll buy you a copy.
Come on, ACP has got megabuck investors now. That's why I'm scratching my head when @irishmoxie says they're pinching the pennies on this one. And (I hope this isn't the case in actuality) somehow it seems like I'm getting the impression that KEVIN is being looked at by people as something that is "fringe market" that we have to underwrite as a charity, because it's the right thing to do.
EDIT: I actually took some time to have a good hard think about this. Here's what I came up with...
Comics are available in a lot of different formats today. Digital, floppy singles, and TPBs. Sometimes HCs, as well. And I had to mull over your theory that if they don't sell enough digital copies, there won't be a print copy. It seems to me the problem is exactly the opposite. Too many people are going to be satisfied to buy the digital copy, and there it ends for them. Why should they be required to buy it twice? They're not made of money, right? And this is coming from a guy who double-dips FAR more than is rational for a sensible person. I can't begin to even think about all the money I've spent on TPBs and HCs containing stories I'd already purchased as floppies. Digital... eh, not so much. It's not my preferred format. Nor is it reasonable for a comic book publisher to expect consumers to purchase the same story twice -- but ACP consumers somehow can't even avoid that. How many times have I read the SAME story over again in another digest or TPB? Again, FAR more than is the case for any other comic book publisher that I can think of.
But to get to the point here... It's PRINT that needs your charity as a comic book fan, not digital. Digital has practically zero overhead for the publisher other than the payments to the creators. PRINT has LOTS more overhead, with printers and distributors that have to be paid. If the creators have already been paid, the only question is whether the printers and distributors can be paid. They certainly won't be getting that money from the people who bought digital, were happy with that, and moved on to newer digital comics. And again -- they shouldn't be depending on people to buy it twice. That's an unreasonable and unrealistic expectation. Some people have already given up on print, and moved on. I'm not one of them. So I guess that's where my true loyalties lie. IF it turns out that the TPB is solicited, and then cancelled, THEN I'll consider buying digital -- if print isn't an option, but it's not my preference, and I have to make that known somehow.
I wasn't thinking of charity, I just want ACP to put out the TPB and they might not do that if the digital version doesn't sell, no matter how much money they have now.
« on: July 01, 2016, 06:13:50 am »
Yeah they keep deleting my facebook posts.
I didn't have anyone in mind when I made the plant suggestion, I just know it's something companies do to generate buzz on message boards/social media, but all this talk lately made me take a good look at the posts here and yes there is no way it's not the same person making at least some of these identities, they use the same writing style and general technique. I would swear it's a plant, maybe not hired just for this but possibly someone who already works for ACP and is doing double duty, it doesn't make sense that anyone would just do this for fun. Irishmoxie is right that they talk about missing classic Archie and all that but that's what they need to do to get us on their side before they subtly shift gears and start saying things like everyone should like what they want to and keep an open mind, etc.
« on: June 30, 2016, 05:13:51 am »
I don't think b-ko is going to be happy when he finds out Roberto's tweeting his or her edits.
« on: June 30, 2016, 04:29:39 am »
I hope my comment about plants didn't sound wrong, I meant that ACP might have hired a plant to come on the board, not that Oldiesmann did.
« on: June 30, 2016, 03:27:01 am »
In honor of Shark Week
« on: June 28, 2016, 02:13:58 am »
This is a good question, I need to sit on it. I can't write that well and I wouldn't want to do any creative work for Archie anyway but if I was a billionaire who bought the company one thing I would try as an experiment would be rehiring the classic Archie artists to write and draw titles for each of the main five with the rule that none of them could appear in each other's books. Even though they work best as a unit I'd want to see how they each stand up on their own. But I have to think about what they'd each do.
« on: June 28, 2016, 01:59:46 am »
« on: June 26, 2016, 04:15:31 am »
This is a continuation of Kurenai24's thread in All About Archie "Your Archie Fancast" to talk about the castings and future castings for the Riverdale show and the show in general, I'm making a new thread for it because I liked hers but I don't want to put all my negative opinions in her thread or in the other Riverdale show threads.
Well now we know how the show ends. Or do we?
« on: June 25, 2016, 01:42:19 am »
You could be right, something important must compel him to insult the girl who controls his access to the Lodge refridgerator/parties.
Ha, you're right, it would be in Jughead's best interest to suck up to Veronica, but we wouldn't have the antagonistic relationship we love.
I like to see her succeed at some things too, but cooking is so unimportant I don't care about it. I mean it's great if people DO know how to cook but it's no reflection on your intellect or character. Yeah the bad-cook-Veronica stories aren't that believable, cooking isn't rocket science, but if you look at those stories as fantasy/cartoon situations they work.
I didn't say that right, I meant that if you DON'T know how to cook it's no reflection on your intellect or character, of course if you know how to cook it means you have skills (not to brag but I'm pretty good at it myself), it's just that it's not needed.
It's just one of my pet peeves when capable adults can't handle feeding themselves and I'm just projecting. This doesn't really apply to Veronica since she's perpetually a teenager and isn't on her own but I get so annoyed in relationships when the other person isn't capable of seemingly doing anything.
Oh yeah been there done that
. Well I think Ronnie's best when she does make mistakes a lot, she's more cute and sympathetic that way and thats what makes her the funniest Archie girl but there should be more hints that under all her effeduppedness there's the budding brilliance at business she inherited from her dad, the thing that makes all the generations of Lodges great tycoons in spite of their problems. That's how I like to see it anyway, I like that the girl who can't even boil an egg like a proper female might blossom into a financial mastermind who owns half the world (and still doesn't know how to boil an egg).
I think a bit of this story was posted upthread but here's the whole thing.
I think the ending is really clever and goes to show that Jughead really does care for Ronnie, he wasn't even too keen on her reward.
Awesome story, ending, beginning, everything! They should put it in a book!
« on: June 25, 2016, 12:53:42 am »
Betty/Reggie fan art from tumblr, I saved the comments too, they're cute.
« on: June 25, 2016, 12:49:05 am »
This looks cute, Holly G has a new book people can get for five dollars a month at patreon about two friends who decide to eat their way through Disneyland.https://www.patreon.com/sweetadventures?ty=h
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