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#1
Quote from: Purgatori on July 10, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
The report suggests that two will be animated and only the Sam Hill show will be live action - "The planned new series include an animated series starring Josie McCoy (of Josie & and the Pussycats fame) with horror undertones, a more light-hearted animated series following the misadventures of Archie and his friends in Riverdale, and a live-action series centred on the noir-tinged Archie character, private detective Sam Hill".


Oh,I thought report say its live action,my bad
#2


According to an article that I found from cbr.com : https://www.cbr.com/archie-comics-animated-live-action-series/

It seems that Archie comics will greenlight three shows,Two live actions and one animated series.So I thought of giving my guess on what the three shows are all about

The first live action show will be based on Josie and the pussycats and will likely set  in the riverdale and chilling adventures of Sabrina universe with horror undertones,My guess is that it will be similar to the josie animated series from 1970 where the gang are  caught in adventure/mystery situation but it will have  a tone similar to the CW supernatural series where it will involve real supernatural forces  and real criminal activities much like the X files.

Or maybe the josie live action series will have them turn into werecats or vampires like the one from afterlife with Archie

The second live action show will be based on an obscure character published by Archie comics from the 50s called Sam Hill, Private Eye which will probably be a crime drama television series but will likely be set in its own universe in other words a standalone series not connecting to the riverdale universe.

And the third will be an animated series but unlike the dark live action shows it will be light-hearted and family oriented and will be faithful to the source material that is comedy as it involves the misadventures of Archie and his gang though I wish that a live action sitcom or a comedy drama would be nice.

an thats all my guess  on what Archie comic plan to greenlit three shows
#3

As you all heard from this news : https://www.cbr.com/archie-700-new-creative-team-riverdale-direction/
The Archie main series will come back after the Archie 1941 miniseries ended which is no surprise for me because I am glad that the series will come back after the miniseries but the reason why I give mixed opinions on it is because it will be renumbered as 699 which will lead to issue 700,But I am not against renumbering because the reason they do renumbering is because Archie like other comic book magazine are long running and they keep on renumbering the issue to its original to show how many issues they publish,but my mixed opinion is that this series is continuing from the 2015 reboot version instead of the classic version.
I mean that's the problem because the reboot archie doesn't look like the classic archie eventhough it's faithful to its predecessors elements but still if they want to continue the main series they could have at least be renumbered as "1" just to be safe since the new team of Nick Spencer and Marguerite Sauvage will handle it and I also think it should give a hard reboot which will not happen at least until in about few years with a clean slate.



#4
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 16, 2018, 08:54:55 AM
They don't need to go bankrupt or be sold (and I hardly think DC or Marvel would even be interested). They could simply stop publishing comics. It's not exactly the same thing. They can simply remain as owners of the intellectual property rights to a group of characters, licensing those characters to whomever is interested in using them... whether that be another comic book company (like IDW) that wants to publish reprints or new stories using those characters, or a television network (like CW) that wants to make a TV series like RIVERDALE, or any other company (like Rachel Antonoff or Funko) that wants to produce any kind of merchandise based on their characters.


You might have a good point there
#5
And you know what my reaction is ,I think this could be a problem, It seems that Archie comics latest series are  mostly short lived or remain on hiatus even the Archie horror lineup like Afterlife with Archie and Chilling adventures of Sabrina remain on hiatus that Afterlife's possible upcoming (and likely final) storyarc Archie is Legends is not published yet. Especially that the main series Archie is currently on hiatusAnd the company keeps changing the publishing lineup  while sales are likely on decline even though their hit series with CW Riverdale is a hit. And they are likely going to make more new series and miniseries which they call 'experimentation' to have Archie comic characters set in different settings, I mean I am okay with it but their series continue to be either on hiatus, short-lived series ,or be a miniseries.

I mean if they keep this up, Archie comics will likely go towards bankruptcy or  end up being sold to either DC, Marvel or IDW.
#6
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on May 24, 2018, 12:17:43 PM
I can't really see returning to classic style helping all that much. It wasn't selling which is why the reboots happened to begin with.


I think to most people, Archie Comics are an anachronism.  Not sure there's much they can do except continue the gimmicks like horror, the tv show, and crossovers (Batman '66) until they run out of ideas.

probably

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 24, 2018, 11:59:23 PM
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on May 24, 2018, 12:17:43 PMI can't really see returning to classic style helping all that much. It wasn't selling which is why the reboots happened to begin with.I think to most people, Archie Comics are an anachronism.  Not sure there's much they can do except continue the gimmicks like horror, the tv show, and crossovers (Batman '66) until they run out of ideas.
That's pretty much the size of it, Vegan. I can see something like, once RIVERDALE has run its course, it getting an animated spinoff that's more comedy oriented, and then there being a floppy comic book based on that, but I think that's about as close as we'll get, apart from the occasional crossover miniseries or one-shot. The crossovers are all aimed at an older, nostalgic audience of comic book collectors, as proven by the properties chosen: Kiss, Predator, The Ramones, and Batman '66 (even Harley & Ivy, arguably most familiar to the audience that watched Batman the Animated Series in the early 1990s). Still hoping to see one with Scooby-Doo.The fact that ACP doesn't want to invest in more new pages of classic Archie stories to keep feeding the source material for ongoing digest reprints indicates that they don't see those digests having much longer of a future.


Well an animated spinoff would be nice so that it will be faithful to its source material roots that is comedy and yeah you have good point about why Archie comics doesn't feel like  investing the new pages of classic ones as they keep selling the digest reprints until they are no longer needed

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 25, 2018, 04:55:36 PM
I really think in pushing hard for television adaptations like Riverdale and Sabrina, Jon Goldwater's true goal is to raise Archie's cultural awareness just high enough to attract a big media conglomerate as a buyer for ACP.

I would imagine he's got something like a hundred-million figure in mind for the sale of all ACP's intellectual property, but I bet if he got a serious offer about a third of that size, he'd sign on the dotted line and bail out next month -- if Nancy Silberkleit is willing to take her cut and walk.

True and also I agree both Jon and NAncy are feuding with each other when they own archie comics and its properties

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 26, 2018, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on May 26, 2018, 08:40:11 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 25, 2018, 04:55:36 PM
I really think in pushing hard for television adaptations like Riverdale and Sabrina, Jon Goldwater's true goal is to raise Archie's cultural awareness just high enough to attract a big media conglomerate as a buyer for ACP.

I would imagine he's got something like a hundred-million figure in mind for the sale of all ACP's intellectual property, but I bet if he got a serious offer about a third of that size, he'd sign on the dotted line and bail out next month -- if Nancy Silberkleit is willing to take her cut and walk.



Nancy might just block it for spite depending on her financial condition.


This is all just my subjective impressions, but the general vibe I got from Nancy is that she wanted to keep Archie in the traditional mode, for the traditional audience (pre-teens and young kids, girls especially), whereas the impression I get from JG is that he doesn't give a fig about comics as a medium, the characters, OR the audience -- he just wants to make money. If the newsstand market is evaporating, he's probably correct in the assessment that ACP can only try to cater to the smaller (but fairly stable and dedicated) audience of comic shop consumers if he wants to continue in publishing. Not that he actually "wants" to continue as a publisher per se, just that he wants to build a small heap of material suitable to attract the attentions of media adaptations, which is hopefully raising the coin of ACP's intellectual property holdings to the extent that some corporation might see some potential in owning those characters as exploitable, marketable, pre-sold audience material. He's just looking to cash out and retire in ease. On the other hand, Nancy Silberkleit has demonstrated in the past that she does care about some things, at least -- kids with disabilities, literacy, and so forth, and wants to use the characters' familiarity to help those causes. That's my read on the situation, anyway.

Not that I'm implying that makes Jonboy G out to be something like the Antichrist of the comic book industry or anything. In my opinion, it just makes him... well, pretty much the same as any of the folks making the business management decisions at Marvel or DC, or... most comic book publishers, medium-sized or even small. Like any other line of work, there are people who are in the comic book business because they love the work and can't imagine doing anything else, and people... who are not. Hey, the way I look at it, most people think about a lot of the same things in their jobs. "I'd like to keep my job. I'd like to make my boss happy, and not have him breathing down my neck. I'd like to get a promotion and do less of the grunt work, have more responsibility. I'd like to make more money so I don't have to worry about current bills, or my future. I've worked long enough; I'd like to retire now comfortably and just relax for a while." Had I entered the biz via the same route JG did, I can't say with any assurance that I'd do things any differently than he is. My only real gripe with the guy is both an aesthetic and practical one -- that he's putting out fewer and fewer pages of new material of the kind of Archie Comics I enjoy reading. And I guess I can't even really be an objective judge of whether or not someone "loves comics" or doesn't, because they might just have polar opposite tastes in what's good than I do -- just like anyone involved in any aspect, not only of the comic book industry, but ANY media that employs characters originating in comics. I can absolutely love something like Cartoon Network's JUSTICE LEAGUE ACTION cartoon, while looking at the trailer for Warner Brothers' JUSTICE LEAGUE movie with a blank-faced "What the what?" and shrugging, "Doesn't have anything to do with me; sorry, no interest." I can love the idea of ARCHIE MEETS BATMAN '66, or the DC characters appearing in SCOOBY-DOO TEAM-UP, while not giving two beans about what's going on in the regular ongoing DC universe BATMAN or SUPERMAN comic books. Same with Archie comic books; same with RIVERDALE. There will always be something else to read (or watch), I guess, whether new or old.

You might have a good point ,I mean I understand Nancy wants to follow Archie in its traditional method but Jon thought that the company will move towards the mass market which works and I guess it is to show both owners have different views on what to do for their company




#7
You know I read the news that a new miniseries called Archie 1941 will replace the Archie main series which is about to be in hiatus which I don't know 'why?'As it tells about the Archie gang in a 1941 setting after they graduate from high school reaching towards  adulthood as they deal with life in the  town of Riverdale when their country heads towards world war II.
Now my opinion is that I appreciate that the miniseries will take place in a year the character debuted however I think it should have  been the retelling of Archie and his gang earlier tales during the 1940s or least take place in the middle of the 40s and the 50s which was the era where the characters gain their popularity.
Still maybe we will see what the miniseries like as we take a look at the 1941 version of the Archie characters dealing with life in world war 2 era ,And I wonder if the main Archie series will come back after the miniseries ended and see if it is ongoing or not.
#8
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on May 16, 2018, 12:19:06 PM
They will probably start a "Classic Archie" title published along side the current flagship title and if it sells as well or better, they'll discontinue the current one.


I will point out that "Your Pal Archie" was close to classic style and didn't sell.  And it was a great book in my opinion.




You have a good point there
#9
Archie comics has gained a renaissance after going through low sales throughout the 80's,90s and 2000s all thanks to the  the leadership of current CEO  Jon Goldwater.
It introduce a gay character named Kevin Keller,It introduce mature storytelling with Life with Archie: The Married Life that focus on Archie's married relationship with Betty and Veronica of both worlds.It introduce a horror series for teen readers called Afterlife with Archie which give a dark and grimmy  take on the archie characters while facing monsters and zombies.It with CW introduce a teen drama television version of the Archie characters called Riverdale which like Afterlife with Archie  is dark but with mystery elements.
And gave a reboot of the Archie universe with Archie #1 aiming for the teen demographic after ending the main classic line and speaking of the classic line,have you wondered that 3 years after the classic line ended.There isn't a single new classic lineup story in the main comic book lineup except the Digest because they are still running with new stories in classic line up  but there are mostly reprint and less new material.
Now even though the modern reboot stays faithful to the classic with its humour and drama. Archie comics attempted to revive the classic lineup with Your pal Archie which is a redesigned version of the archie classic with  new material, Archie vs predator which is black comedy crossover between archie characters and the predator painted in classic style but with gore and blood  and then the upcoming Betty and Veronica Friends forever ,
The classic style still has new material in the digest  since they are still available in the magazine racks that you see in your local supermarket but only less as they mostly reprints of various stories and will continue in various newspaper strips under creators syndicate as shown here : https://www.creators.com/read/archie and even co-CEO Nancy Silberkleit which Jon Goldwater made a personal feud with her over the property distributing her own archie comics one of them focus on Autism awareness with a character named Scarlet as shown here :https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/01/19/nancy-silberkleit-archie-comic-scarlet/

But this is what we need to discuss in this topic,Will Archie main comic book line will one day return to it's classic style?

#10
oy vey,If this keeps up archie comics will be out of business  :(


Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 17, 2018, 04:21:47 PMI think my basic problem with most of the new Archie Comics is that I really don't understand the mindset of the approach to the characters at all. I would make the single exception of JUGHEAD to that statement, because it seems like someone rightly acknowledged that you just CAN'T approach Jughead as a realistic character or try to interpret him seriously, because his basic defining characteristics absolutely defy that. So what you got instead was a re-interpretion using a different type of approach to humor (as opposed to the classic, slapstick/situation comedy approach).When I look at the other new Archie Comics (not talking about the superheroes or Cosmo here), I just have... no response. No emotional reaction or connection with it in any way. To me they just seem like oddities that I don't know what to make of. I mean, they attempt to present some sort of functional continuity that can be followed in the usual way of sequential storytelling, but I constantly feel like I just walked into a party where I was told all my old friends would be there -- but looking all around me, all I see is a room full of strangers wearing these stickers that say "HELLO My Name Is ARCHIE" or "HELLO My Name Is Betty", "HELLO My Name Is Veronica", etc. and I'm just staring at them and thinking "Who the heck ARE these people, really?" It's this weird unsettling place where there are bits and parts where they seem to confirm who they claim to be, yet there are just as many strange, unfamiliar things about them making every moment I spend in this room an analytical guessing game. So there's no emotional reaction to what's going on here, it's just me watching stuff happen from the distant POV of a very detached observer.And what pops into my head is the thought "Is this what non-comics reading people see when you show them a comic book?" Sure, they can read the text and understand it, and know that those lines on the page represent people going about, doing things and moving through space over time. But in the end, they hand it back to you with this blank expression of "Yeah, I understood it I suppose... but so what?"The other thing that pops into my head is the impression that if I hadn't read comics in years and years, and didn't know stuff about how they're created, who the creators are, and how the industry works and so forth, but was familiar with the older icons of comic books, and you handed me a copy of ARCHIE, my first reaction would probably be something like "Marvel Comics publishes ARCHIE now??" That's what they look like upon seeing them for the first time, as if somehow Marvel (or DC) had licensed Archie -- how they'd approach it and reinterpret it from their perspective. And to be sure, a lot of Marvel and DC's iconic characters now strike me almost the same way, as far as how they're being interpreted currently, and I have the same strange feeling of detachment towards characters which once excited me. Hello, do I know you? But at least the Marvel and DC characters have evolved away from from their familiar selves over years and years of change, and not literally overnight.In the end, the things I would be expecting and looking to get out of reading an Archie comic book are just nowhere to be found in the new ones.



Wow tough times and I agree if things get worse for Archie then they will have no choice but to be sold to Marvel or dc comics  and let them reprint the old stories instead.
#11
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 25, 2018, 02:11:07 AM

And I agree with you, an Archie Action (or "Archie Adventure Series") imprint could be utilized as a way of reviving concepts that would have fit within the framework of the old LIFE WITH ARCHIE series, like the Superteens, Explorers of the Unknown, Jughead's Time Police, The Man From R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E., Agents B&V, or Archie the Barbarian -- primarily adventure stories using the Archie characters, leavened with a dash of comedy as a secondary consideration.


Yeah me too
#12
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 25, 2018, 02:11:07 AM
Quote from: terrence12 on February 25, 2018, 12:12:48 AM
When I heard that that the upcoming miniseries called Archie Superteens vs Crusaders,I was amazed because it would be about the superhero version of the Archie gang teaming up with the golden/silver age version of the crusaders in an alternate Archie universe.

However I think that this miniseries should have belonged to the Archie Action brand because you see the Archie action brand focuses on Action and Adventure so without Sonic and the now ended Cosmo ,I think maybe  Archie Superteens vs Crusaders should have been used for the Archie Action brand instead,So that this brand will involve the action/adventure version of the Archie characters like Explorers of the unknown,Archei the barbarian and the superteens opposite to Archie horror where it focuses on the horror genre of the archie characters like Afterlife with Archie for example.


I need a LINK, terrence!  Best news in forever if true... but so much so, that it has the air of "too good to be true" -- it seems counter to pretty much all the existing sales trends of the current marketplace.  In my mind's eye, an idealized version of this project would have Dan Parent drawing the pages on which the Superteens primarily appear, and Fernando Ruiz drawing the pages on which the classic Mighty Crusaders primarily appear, but this is probably TOO much of a fantasy, too much wishful thinking for anything close to that. I just hope that when I discover the actual creative team it doesn't ruin things for me, because when someone says there's going to be a Harley & Ivy meet Betty & Veronica series, it just sounds too good to be true, but when it actually happened, the reality of it fell far short of very good at all, in truth.

EDIT: Okay, I just googled it.  The creative team is: Ian Flynn, Kelsey Shannon, Gary Martin, David Williams, Gary Martin, and Jack Morelli. No specific credits mentioned, but I know Flynn is the writer (so far, so good), Gary Martin is an inker (and a good one), and of course Jack Morelli is ACP's grand old master of lettering (all sounds great so far)...

So that leaves Kelsey Shannon and David Williams as pencillers. Kelsey Shannon did a good job pencilling the most recent incarnation of the Mighty Crusaders, so no problem there... Which leaves David Williams, I guess, as the primary penciller for the Superteens pages. And... posted images already show that we're dealing with the New Riverdale Archie and friends, so my flights of idealized fantasy about the version I'd really LIKE to see are dashed.

I can't not buy it, but the fact that it's not the classic Archie Superteens has already downgraded whatever enthusiasm I might have had at just hearing the book's title. That means that the closest I'll be able to get to my fantasy version of this project is if there's a Dan Parent cover variant on an issue somewhere along the way, and/or a blank sketch variant which I'd be able to use to commission a drawing from Dan and/or Fernando Ruiz.

And I agree with you, an Archie Action (or "Archie Adventure Series") imprint could be utilized as a way of reviving concepts that would have fit within the framework of the old LIFE WITH ARCHIE series, like the Superteens, The Man From R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E. (or Agents B&V) or Archie the Barbarian -- primarily adventure stories using the Archie characters, leavened with a dash of comedy as a secondary consideration.

Well,On the brightside it takes palce in an alternate world
#13
When I heard that that the upcoming miniseries called Archie Superteens vs Crusaders,I was amazed because it would be about the superhero version of the Archie gang teaming up with the golden/silver age version of the crusaders in an alternate Archie universe.

However I think that this miniseries should have belonged to the Archie Action brand because you see the Archie action brand focuses on Action and Adventure so without Sonic and the now ended Cosmo ,I think maybe  Archie Superteens vs Crusaders should have been used for the Archie Action brand instead,So that this brand will involve the action/adventure version of the Archie characters like Explorers of the unknown,Archei the barbarian and the superteens opposite to Archie horror where it focuses on the horror genre of the archie characters like Afterlife with Archie for example.

#14
Well,I heard from the news that classic betty and veronica are back with new stories in a new ongoing title called Betty & Veronica Friends Forever which is great except that it has the pre-your pal archie Dan parent designs which I loathe before the reboot came .But I am not sure how long the series will be ongoing because  it would last for few issues before the series is quietly cancelled like the other new series in Archie comics,Well Let's hope this series is a success and will be considered ongoing otherwise things will get really worse if this series sales is low.


Quote from: Vegan Jughead on February 09, 2018, 12:30:24 PM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 09, 2018, 12:15:57 AM
I don't want to nix it, or throw cold water on anyone, but you know that ACP always seems to announce any new title as "ongoing"... but very few of them have turned out to be. Mostly they last just long enough to generate a trade paperback collection (5 issues), like the previously announced COSMO "ongoing" -- now downgraded to a 5-issue miniseries. That happened before with REGGIE & ME as well, and somehow it doesn't look like MIGHTY CRUSADERS and VIXENS are going to be continuing past their initial story arcs, either. So here's hoping that BETTY AND VERONICA FRIENDS FOREVER breaks the curse. Maybe the demand for more classic stories in the digest format is an indicator of the turning tide -- let's hope so.




Dan Parent already said on Facebook that it would be "at least 5", so you aren't really throwing cold water.  It's just reality.  If it sells they'll keep it.  If it doesn't they won't.  At least they're trying it!  I thought Your Pal Archie was awesome, but it didn't sell.  Maybe B&V can do better!

Lets hope so
#15
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 27, 2018, 01:44:36 AM
Quote from: Vegan Jughead on January 26, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: terrence12 on January 26, 2018, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2018, 07:03:25 AM
Reviews have absolutely no bearing on whether a series continues as an ongoing title, or ends. Only sales.

Which is probably the same reason there was no solicitation for a fifth issue of MIGHTY CRUSADERS in the March 2018 ACP solicitations, as well.


Sadly I agree and if this continues Archie comics will go bankrupt unless it be saved when it is bought by IDW who publishes the classic strips or Warner bros since they broadcast the classic strips


Or unless they come out with a TV show that lasts at least 3 seasons and another one on Netflix.  That might help.

It helps make the copyright holders of intellectual property rights profit, but it doesn't help make the publishing end of things any more profitable. A television series based on comic book characters is a licensed property, and likewise there are many characters being published in the comic book medium that are also produced under license from the intellectual property owners. Ultimately it might be more profitable for the intellectual property holder to reduce its own overhead costs by becoming a business entity whose sole business is in licensing those intellectual property rights to other businesses, including comic book publishers.

It also accounts for many existing phenomena in the comic book industry which would otherwise seem puzzling and counter-intuitive... like why the Walt Disney Company, which owns Marvel Comics, the largest comics publisher in the industry, would license their company-owned properties like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse, and Uncle Scrooge (and STAR WARS, for that matter) to other publishers like Fantagraphics and IDW. Or why Marvel Comics goes to ACP to publish a digest reprint collection of its superhero characters. What it ultimately comes down to is recognizing and acknowledging that another publisher has the know-how when it comes to producing and marketing a particular type of product. ACP has already licensed their characters to various other publishers (DC, Dark Horse, IDW) in the past for different reasons (rebooting existing characters, or special deluxe reprint collections) -- so there's no reason to believe another comics publisher might not do as well or better at marketing ACP's company-owned characters to consumers.


Maybe


Quote from: Vegan Jughead on January 26, 2018, 06:15:33 PM
Quote from: terrence12 on January 26, 2018, 11:31:30 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 26, 2018, 07:03:25 AM
Reviews have absolutely no bearing on whether a series continues as an ongoing title, or ends. Only sales.

Which is probably the same reason there was no solicitation for a fifth issue of MIGHTY CRUSADERS in the March 2018 ACP solicitations, as well.


Sadly I agree and if this continues Archie comics will go bankrupt unless it be saved when it is bought by IDW who publishes the classic strips or Warner bros since they broadcast the classic strips


Or unless they come out with a TV show that lasts at least 3 seasons and another one on Netflix.  That might help.


Maybe as well