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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: January 17, 2018, 10:49:51 AM »
01-11 to 11-16-18:
The Little Book of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
The Little Book of BATMAN
The Little Book of SUPERMAN
The Little Book of WONDER WOMAN
MANGA CLASSIC READERS: MOBY DICK TP
MANGA CLASSIC READERS: WAR OF THE WORLDS TP
H.P. LOVECRAFT'S THE HOUND and Other Stories
(adapted by Gou Tanabe)
JIMMY'S BASTARDS #6
SCOOBY-DOO TEAM UP (with the Legion of Super-Heroes) #33
FUTURE QUEST PRESENTS: BIRDMAN #6
BATMAN/TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES II #3
(of 6)
BUGS BUNNY (1990) #2 - Strangely enough, of the 3 stories in this issue, NONE of them was a Bugs Bunny story!
WILL EISNER'S THE SPIRIT: THE CORPSE MAKERS #5 (of 5)
SHEENA #5
KILL OR BE KILLED #15
THE FURTHER ADVENTURES OF NICK WILSON #1
ICE CREAM MAN #1
FIGHTING AMERICAN #4
KONG ON PLANET OF APES #3
(of 6)
ASSASSINISTAS #2 (of ?)
NEMO HC (adapted by Bruno)
20,000 LEAGUES UNDER THE SEA HC (adapted by Gary Gianni)
What in the world is a "Little "Book"?   ???  And what did you think about the Birdman book, DR? I  liked the part about Avenger being able to understand Birdman....

The Little Books are small (Flexicover, 4.7 x 6.5 in., 192 pages) books by Taschen, a German publisher specializing in highly graphic books about art, photography, and popular culture. The Little Books are like character histories told through graphic images and captions. They actually derive their content from larger, more expensive hardcover histories of comics written by Paul Levitz (DC) and Roy Thomas (Marvel). There were images in some of these books that even I hadn't seen before. I've provided links to the Taschen site for each of the comic-related Little Books so you can get an idea. Considering that the cover price of a floppy comic is $4, these Little Books are an absolute steal at $10 SRP.

The Little Book of AVENGERS https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48614/facts.the_little_book_of_avengers.htm
The Little Book of CAPTAIN AMERICA https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48617/facts.the_little_book_of_captain_america.htm
The Little Book of FANTASTIC FOUR https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48616/facts.the_little_book_of_fantastic_four.htm
The Little Book of THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48615/facts.the_little_book_of_spider_man.htm
The Little Book of BATMAN https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48602/facts.the_little_book_of_batman_tm.htm
The Little Book of SUPERMAN  https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48601/facts.the_little_book_of_superman_tm.htm
The Little Book of WONDER WOMAN https://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/graphic_design/all/48603/facts.the_little_book_of_wonder_woman_tm.htm



The FUTURE QUEST Birdman was good. I pretty much buy whatever comics Steve Rude draws anyway. He's a genius.

I'm not so much looking forward to the upcoming Mightor issue(s)... that character was a little too rebooted. Taking him out of his prehistoric world (and changing the simple costume) is a bad idea. At least Space Ghost hinted that the Galaxy Trio is still alive out there somewhere, and that he's going to find them (the previous Galaxy Trio stories were flashbacks).

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All About Archie / Archie Comics was mentioned on Jeopardy tonight 1/5/18
« on: January 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM »
I recorded it! :smitten:
The guy who won, priceless reaction



https://youtu.be/L7N_YvTy2g0

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All About Archie / Re: That's It!
« on: January 03, 2018, 04:18:55 PM »
No more Archie and Me digest!  >:(  Why? Those stupid Archie Babies! I hate them!  >:(  I'd sooner read Katy Keene than that drivel!  :tickedoff:

I guess they must have figured -- it worked for Disney Babies and Baby Looney Tunes, so why not?

But I totally agree -- of all the many creatively bankrupt concepts ACP has ever generated, Archie Babies has to rank as the absolute worst (and this from a company that brought out comics based on Koosh-Kins...) Yes, I am done with Archie and Me Comics Digest.

The Archie-centric digest titles (as opposed to B&V) have really reached a nadir lately. They have they dropped any variety or reprints of interesting or little-seen series, apart from the drivel mentioned above. I guess they must really be desperate, since they've re-instituted the free digital comic giveaways after two years, with no fanfare whatsoever. These are apparently now under the title Archie's Funhouse Dollar Digest.

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Copies of both Super 'Suckers #3 & #4 just arrived from the printer and they look amazing!  Each contains a full-color, self-contained 64 page story for only $3.99, plotted and co-scripted by me, Darin Henry (Seinfeld, Futurama, etc), with art by Jeff Shultz (Betty & Veronica), colors by Glenn Whitmore and lettered by Marshall Dillon.  They both go on sale January 31st, 2018 along with new printings (featuring new Jeff Shultz covers!) of issues 1 and 2.


And, for the first time ever, all the new Binge Book releases will be distributed in all 50 US states via Sitcomics' new "Sell-Through Distribution" System by which participating stores can receive totally free copies of The 2018 Binge Book Catalog which they will give away to their pull-list subscribers starting January 3rd.  Those stores will take customer orders until January 25th and all ordered books will then be sent to stores by their on-sale date of January 31st, 2018. 


I've posted an (almost) up to date list of participating stores at http://www.sitcomics.net  so click on over and if your local comic shop is not on the list, they can be added by contacting me at editor@sitcomics.net and I'll ship out catalogs for free the next business day.  You can also preview scenes from the actual comics at http://www.facebook.com/Sitcomics Thanks for your patience, everybody, because the wait is almost over and some really funny vampire comics are on their way!

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All About Archie / Re: "Kindness Works!" A NEW Archie Story!
« on: December 03, 2017, 12:28:49 PM »

All right!! Congrats, Mr. Ruiz! 😁  I hope this means you're back? 🤗


Thanks, Sagg.


As far as being back... well.... Like I said at my site, if Nancy has any other stories she'd like me to draw, I'd certainly consider them.




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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: November 22, 2017, 08:53:26 AM »
ASH VS. THE ARMY OF DARKNESS #5 (of 5)
PUNISHER: PLATOON #3 (of 6)
THANOS #13
SAVAGE DRAGON #228
RICK AND MORTY: POCKET LIKE YOU STOLE IT #5 (of 5)
DETECTIVE COMICS #969
WONDER WOMAN #35
THE DEMON: HELL IS EARTH #1 (of 6)
DOOMSDAY CLOCK #1 (of 12)
KAMANDI CHALLENGE #11 (of 12)
SCOOBY-DOO TEAM UP #32
LOONEY TUNES #240
THE GREATEST ADVENTURE #7 (of 9)
SHEENA #3
DIE KITTY DIE: HOLLYWOOD OR BUST #4 (of 4)
YOUR PAL ARCHIE #4 (of 5)
BETTY & VERONICA: VIXENS #1
ARCHIE AND ME COMICS DIGEST #2
THAT WILKIN BOY #27 (APR 1974)
JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS #75 (APR 1974)
JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS #76 (JUN 1974)
ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #24 (MAY 1974)
ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #32 (JUL 1975)
ARCHIE'S T.V. LAUGH-OUT #83 (OCT 1981)
SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH #50 (DEC 1978)
CHILI #19 (OCT 1972)
LAUGH #270 (SEP 1973)
LAUGH #306 (SEP 1976)
PEP #283 (NOV 1973)
PEP #380 (DEC 1981)
ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA #154 (OCT 1968)
ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA #310 (OCT 1981)
ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA #319 (AUG 1982)
ARCHIE GIANT SERIES (BETTY AND VERONICA SPECTACULAR) #246 (JUN 1976)
ARCHIE GIANT SERIES (BETTY AND VERONICA SPECTACULAR) #510 (OCT 1981)
BETTY AND ME #30 (SEP 1970)
BETTY AND ME #68 (AUG 1975)
BETTY AND ME #124 (OCT 1981)
Spire Christian Comics:
    ARCHIE'S CLEAN SLATE (1973)
    ARCHIE'S WORLD (1976)
    ARCHIE GETS A JOB! (1977)
    JUGHEAD'S SOUL FOOD (1979)
    ARCHIE'S FESTIVAL (1980)
    ARCHIE AND MR. WEATHERBEE (1980)
ARCHIE GIANT SERIES (WORLD OF ARCHIE) #509 (SEP 1981)
ARCHIE GIANT SERIES (WORLD OF JUGHEAD) #511 (OCT 1981)
JUGHEAD #223 (DEC 1973)
JUGHEAD #317 (OCT 1981)
JUGHEAD'S JOKES #43 (APR 1975)
REGGIE'S JOKES #29 (MAY 1974)
REGGIE AND ME #79 (JUL 1975)
MADHOUSE COMICS #126 (OCT 1981)
LIFE WITH ARCHIE #84 (APR 1969)
LIFE WITH ARCHIE #139 (NOV 1973)
LIFE WITH ARCHIE #144 (APR 1974)
LIFE WITH ARCHIE #227 (NOV 1981)
ARCHIE #245 (JUL 1975)
ARCHIE #246 (AUG 1975)
ARCHIE AT RIVERDALE HIGH #11 (OCT 1973)
ARCHIE AT RIVERDALE HIGH #15 (APR 1974)
ARCHIE AT RIVERDALE HIGH #82 (OCT 1981)
ARCHIE AND ME #65 (JUN 1974)
ARCHIE AND ME #130 (OCT 1951)
EVERYTHING'S ARCHIE #35 (SEP 1974)
EVERYTHING'S ARCHIE #40 (JUN 1974)


(... All binge-read in about 12 hours. Whew!! ...)





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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 08, 2017, 11:46:54 AM »
I think a lot of his attitude towards women comes from seeing how Veronica (and others like Cheryl) treats Archie like crap even though he is too much of a lapdog for her (her fickleness doesn't help either).

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:41:37 PM »
Today (10-17):
Both of these digests have a cover price of $6.99 -- but the B&V Halloween Annual has 192 pages, and Archie & Me Digest #1 has only 128 pages.

BETTY & VERONICA HALLOWEEN ANNUAL #257 - Despite irishmoxie's complaint over the low incidence of true Halloween stories in the B&V Annual (which is a fair assessment), the overall quality of most of these story pages is pretty high, and I'd rate the contents as being between 70-80% "above average" stories. There's a fair amount of pages of Dan DeCarlo artwork, and a fair amount of pages of Dan Parent artwork, probably a higher percentageof those two artists than found in any other digest title (and seeing as how they are among my favorite of all the regular Archie artists, that is a very good thing). Of course there are also some Stan Goldberg and Jeff Shultz stories, as you would pretty much expect in any B&V digest. It has a good amount of variety too, with Sabrina, Josie, and Cheryl Blossom stories (by Holly G) in addition to the B&V stories, and Veronica and Betty solo stories. I don't have a clue why they moved the Josie and Cheryl stories from B&V Friends, where they formerly appeared regularly, to the regular B&V title, but it only makes this a better digest title. It's true that of the 192 pages in the digest, 14 of them are advertising pages, so that leaves 178 - and out of those, 2 of them are puzzle pages, which I just glance at briefly and skip over. There's also a 2-page Halloween Quiz (from one of the old B&V Spectacular magazine-style comics) -- but I actually enjoyed reading that -- and a 5-page feature on ideas for throwing a Halloween party, illustrated by Dan Parent (again, from one of those old B&V Spec's) that actually has some pretty good ideas, if you were thinking of throwing a Halloween Bash. Ironically, the few pages of Halloween-themed stories contained here are among the weakest stories in this issue. There were 2 or 3 of the older classic reprints that I'd rate as absolute gems, however. And best of all, no pages wasted on "Little" B&V stories by Dexter Taylor - those I always skip, so this digest contains virtually no wasted pages, apart from the obligatory ads and those 2 puzzle pages (that's actually a pretty low number of puzzle pages by Annual standards).

ARCHIE AND ME COMICS DIGEST #1 - Vegan Jughead was right about this one. It's among the worst digests Archie Comics has ever published. Oh, the new 5-pager written by Dan Parent and drawn by Jeff Shultz (nice to see new stories by him, BTW) is great. When Dan writes a classic Archie story, he's on-target 90% of the time or better, and all of the returning former classic Archie artists are turning in great work, in most cases some of the best art they've ever done. It's all downhill after those first 5 pages, though. This digest had, out of its 128 pages, 10 pages of ads, so that leaves 118 pages of stories. AND 23 of those pages were devoted to "Archie Babies" -- which I flipped through and didn't read. Hey, here's an idea... why not devote 15 to 24 pages in a digest title to stories about "Octogenarian Archie & Friends"?? Sound like something you'd want to read, eh? Well, frankly... even THAT would be more interesting to me than any of the reprints involving Baby, Little, or "The New Archies" versions of the characters. It's a complete waste of paper, as far as I'm concerned. That left me with 95 pages of story, and of those, most of them are pretty run-of-the-mill. I'd say LESS THAN HALF of those pages were above average stories, so considering the cover price here, and the lack of anything compelling me to buy this, I'd rate it as an absolute "NOT BUY". About the nicest thing I can say about the reprint pages is that at least they had the courtesy to skip the puzzle pages (but they could have put 23 of them in here instead of Archie Babies, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me). If I hadn't already pre-ordered issues #2 & #3, I'd probably skip them -- and if things follow the usual pattern, I'm pretty sure those issues will ALSO be filled with 23-page "Archie Babies" sections! Am I ever glad I didn't subscribe to this! UGH!

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 21, 2017, 01:49:23 AM »
09-20-17:
BUG: THE ADVENTURES OF FORAGER #4 (of 6)
FUTURE QUEST PRESENTS SPACE GHOST #2 (of ?)
WONDER WOMAN '77/BIONIC WOMAN #6 (of 6)
WONDER WOMAN/CONAN #1 (of 6)
ACTION COMICS #987
DARK NIGHTS: METAL #2 (of 6)
DARK NIGHTS: BATMAN THE RED DEATH #1 (one-shot)
BATMAN: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
HARLEY QUINN: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
DC SUPER HERO GIRLS: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
RICK & MORTY: POCKET LIKE YOU STOLE IT #3 (of 5)
BLACK HAMMER #13
MICRONAUTS: WRATH OF KARZA #5 (of 5)
STREET FIGHTER VS DARKSTALKERS #5 (of 8 )
KAIJUMAX: SEASON 3 #3 (of 6)
BLOOD BOWL: MORE GUTS, MORE GLORY #4 (of 4)
WOLFENSTEIN #1 (of 2)
INFINI-T FORCE GN VOL 01: ARC TO THE FUTURE
DRAGONS RIOTING GN VOL 01-07

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All About Archie / Re: Betty & Veronica - Lucey vs. DeCarlo
« on: September 10, 2017, 12:46:40 AM »
I have that book and i love that book, but even I, as a HUGE Lucey fan, was a bit taken back at his use of "by far".  I think he was just trying to be edgy since Dan DeCarlo is assumed by most casual observers to be THE Archie artist. 


For B&V, in that era I'll take DeCarlo.  If I can go across all eras, I'll take Dan Parent or Bob Montana, although I love Jeff Shultz's DeCarlo tribute style as well.   


I like Dan Parent's B&V, but Montana and DeCarlo drew during what in my opinion was a high point for women's fashion, so I guess I like Parent's Betty and Veronica heads and Montana and DeCarlo from the neck down.  Ha ha.

For the late '40s and early '50s, it's Bob Montana setting the pace and leading the way (on the newspaper strip and some covers), but as we get to the mid-'50s in the comic books, Harry Lucey began to emerge as the dominant artist, and it was he who largely defined the characters for the next decade's comic books. Overlapping in the early '60s, Dan DeCarlo's version begins to overtake Lucey's as the preeminent B&V depiction, which is pretty well solidified by the later '60s when DeCarlo becomes the main cover artist for all the comics. Lucey's artistic powers began fading in the 1970s comics due to his deteriorating health, and he retired completely in 1976. DeCarlo's dominance just continued to build in the 1970s, adding the newspaper strip to his duties when Bob Montana died in 1975. Becoming the main cover artist, and then the newspaper strip artist, is about all the validation needed to confirm that by the later 1970s, "the traditional Archie Comics style" had become Dan DeCarlo's style.

When discussing the Silver Age artists, one that never seems to get mentioned, or enough credit, is Bob White. He was brought into ACP's production department in the late '50s by Bob Bolling, and when he got to work on the main characters in the '60s, being new to the genre, he seemed to have a strong desire to prove his worth to the company by remaining faithful to the house style of the period, taking most of his artistic cues from DeCarlo's and Lucey's work (and maybe a little bit of Bob Montana). His work can be found in and on the covers of early-1960s issues of Archie and Archie's Girls Betty and Veronica, and he was also a regular contributor to Archie's Madhouse. But he seems to be primarily remembered as the artist on those 1965-1967 issues of Life With Archie that featured Pureheart the Powerful, The Man From R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E., and the prototype 3-man version of The Archies. His most distinctive contribution to the company remains the delightfully wonky Cosmo the Merry Martian, which he created, wrote and drew.


A couple of examples of Bob White's covers for Archie's Girls Betty and Veronica.

In the later 1990s, when Dan Parent began to emerge from DeCarlo's mentoring into his own, it seems like he and Jeff Schulz are pretty much neck-and-neck as B&V artists, but Dan Parent was becoming more the signature artist for Veronica. He also helped to launch Cheryl and Sabrina in their own late-1990s comics, eventually turning Cheryl over to Holly G. (who afterwards moved on to Josie and the Pussycats, and then Sabrina). Holly's slightly manga-influenced take on all those characters gave them a fresh look. She also broke away from the traditional method of drawing the girls' eyes as simple black dots with a single ink line representing the eyelash in medium and close-up panels, giving them delicate eyelashes and colored irises, which made them seem more expressive. Holly didn't do many B&V stories, but the one where Betty gets a Goth makeover is memorable.

Then in the 2000s, Dan is allowed to express his own individual style a lot more, and definitely becomes the iconic cover artist for both B&V. Breaking away from the DeCarlo influence a little, he develops a lot of his own signature facial expressions for the girls. Dan's abilities as a graphic designer really begin to impress me at about the time Betty & Veronica Spectacular gets a makeover as a fashion magazine-styled comic (#69-90), and that's about the time that I'd say he "owned" those characters, despite some nice work from Jeff continuing on interior B&V stories. Dan gets to do some fun stuff, like the storybook tales (Wonderland and Oz) and Agents B&V in the digests around the same time. And yes, Dan Parent definitely picked up on the fashion-conscious vibe that DeCarlo had paid real attention to, adding to that contemporary sensibility. I notice in a few of their most recent stories that the brothers Kennedy are really starting to pay attention to B&V's fashions, too.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 04, 2017, 06:13:47 AM »
What I can't understand is why Marvel can't get Fantastic Four going movie-wise, the same for Silver Surfer. They seem to get the other Marvel characters well...  ???

Why? Because they don't have the movie rights. And by "they" I mean the Walt Disney Corporation, Marvel Comics' parent company. Those rights were licensed to Fox Studios (which made a couple or three FF films in the last couple of decades) prior to Disney having purchased Marvel Comics. And believe me, they would LOVE to have those rights back NOW that Disney's Marvel Studios movie franchises of the Avengers, Iron Man, Thor, Ant-Man, Guardians of the Galaxy etc. are raking in megabucks for the Walt Disney Corporation. They're more than a little irked by the fact that they don't have those film rights. So much so, that there was a corporate directive issued "from upstairs" that directed Marvel Comics' editors to stop publishing any Fantastic Four comic books (except reprint collections), and to keep all the associated FF characters in low-profile storylines, because the parent corporation viewed that as a form of advertising a rival movie studio's product.  And that's the naked truth.

You know that Spider-Man movie that just came out a month or so back subtitled "Homecoming"? Do you know WHY it was called "Homecoming"?? Because the Walt Disney Company's Marvel Studios division just got those film rights back from the previous licensee, the Sony Corporation, which had produced all the previous Spider-Man movies. Spider-Man came "home" to Marvel's parent company, the Walt Disney Corporation, after those film rights had been locked up for years by the Sony Corporation. And that's why it's the first Spider-Man movie that characters from The Avengers can appear in.

But it makes the situation of the FF film rights even more irksome to the Walt Disney Corporation, because it's not just Mr. Fantastic, the Invisible Woman, the Human Torch, and the Thing that they're missing out on profits from, and their main associated villains like Doctor Doom. It's all of the FF's "associated characters" as stipulated in a list specified by that film rights contract -- the Silver Surfer, Galactus, and probably dozens more. When Marvel was divvying up its universe of characters for film franchise rights, they parceled them out by lists of what "family" they thought this or that character belonged to -- usually whatever comic book in which that character had made his or her first appearance, or the comic book in which the character most frequently appeared. With the Fantastic Four comic book, the first 50 or so issues were co-created by Jack Kirby, and Kirby just couldn't help creating new characters and concepts every couple of issues... so the "associated character" list of the FF family franchise is probably a lot more extensive than that of Spider-Man, at least in terms of valuable concepts that might conceivably be spun off into their own films or TV shows, or who might show up as supporting characters or villains in one of Marvel Studios' other franchise films.

And what ABOUT Fox Studios, anyway? Why can't THEY make a good Fantastic Four movie? Funny you should ask. I recently talked to Neal Adams at a comic book convention, and the topic of Fox's FF movies somehow (I can't recall how now) came up. Adams said that after Fox had made the first FF film and it flopped, someone at the studios had called him for a meeting. They wanted to solicit his opinion on what kind of story would make a good FF movie, and he told them. "There's really only ONE Fantastic Four story that anyone's going to be excited about or care about -- GALACTUS. Galactus, and the Silver Surfer. That's the only story you should be thinking about making." So they did think about it, and what resulted was the second FF movie, where Galactus is something like a giant space cloud. Adams said when he saw that, he was convinced that Fox will never make a good FF movie, because even with the comic books in their hands, no one at that studio has got a clue about what made the Fantastic Four a great comic.

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Now that I think about it, the whole Adam Hughes' B&V thing has been pretty disastrous for the company. ... what B&V contributed to the company was 3 issues that took an entire year to come out. That is bad. ... Get a stable creative team that will commit to the title for at least 12 issues, and can deliver pages on time every 6 weeks, or less.

This has me wondering why writers and/or artists can get away with slow work in the first place. Shouldn't it be built into their contracts: "You will provide the script and/or artwork on this schedule, or the contract is terminated"?

Depends on who you think was in the power position in that particular instance. Adam Hughes does not NEED a paycheck from Archie Comics. Someone at ACP decided THEY needed Adam Hughes. The problem was they felt they needed him too badly, and were willing to wait for his work as long as it took. They set themselves up for disaster... after advertising an Adam Hughes story, what are they going to do when issue #2 isn't done by the contractual deadline? "Cancel the contract"?? Oh yeah, and then just get someone else to write & draw issue #2. That's going to make them look like total idiots, advertising Adam Hughes and then pulling the old "bait & switch"... upon which, sales immediately plummet like a stone. So it was no-win for them once they committed to riding the AH!-train. You know what a company like DC Comics would have done? They would have paid Adam Hughes his money IF they were committed to needing him for whatever project. And they would have waited. Waited until he delivered all his work, or was close enough to completing the final issue, before scheduling and soliciting the first issue. And if you're DC Comics, you can do that because you have the money to pay Adam Hughes for 3 issues of a comic book upfront. If you're Archie Comic Publications, you're living from one printer's bill to the next, and one check from Diamond Comic Distributors to the next. You can't pay this guy what you owe him until you get that money you were expecting from that last comic you published.

Just like someone at ACP decided that Mr. Big-Shot TV Writer Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa needed to be courted and wooed ("Ooooo! We'll make you Chief Creative Officer!"), and you do NOT dictate terms to the guy you're begging to get your intellectual properties on TV.

If you're someone like Ian Flynn (who is a fine writer, and I mean him no disrespect for using him as an example), you probably can't afford to be a temperamental artiste who can only write when his creative muse inspires him, because you know they can hire someone else to do the job for the same money.

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Now that I think about it, the whole Adam Hughes' B&V thing has been pretty disastrous for the company. What were they thinking, trying to publish Reggie and Josie titles before they could even get an ongoing (as in published at least bi-monthly) Betty and Veronica title established as a stable title?

Instead, what B&V contributed to the company was 3 issues that took an entire year to come out. That is bad. It's worse for a company that already publishes two other "ongoing" titles that only manage to come out once a year: Afterlife With Archie and Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. It sends THIS message to the consumers: "Don't get involved. It will only lead to frustration. They love to promise more than they can actually deliver. It's not worth the grief."

If they'd been thinking, they would have made a B&V title the very next priority after the rebooted Archie. Get a stable creative team that will commit to the title for at least 12 issues, and can deliver pages on time every 6 weeks, or less. Jughead should have been title #3, and once that was up and running, THEN, and only then, with both Archie and B&V coming out on a regular basis, something like Josie, or Reggie, or Veronica, or Betty, or Sabrina. Not too quickly... they should have let B&V build for a year before the next big title, Jughead. Then another 6-8 months before the next title, but only once they'd established some stability.

Between AWA, ChAoS, B&V, and all the various solicit-then-cancel products, they torpedoed any credibility they might have had as a publisher.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: July 29, 2017, 09:51:10 AM »
GPF    http://www.gpf-comics.com


Moving on to the rest of the DC titles and then I'll be almost up to date.  Just the Free Comic Book Day titles and what has accumulated in the last couple of weeks will be left.


Astro City
Everafter
Frostbite
Red Thorn
Unfollow
Flintstones
Future Quest
Scooby Doo (several titles)
Batman '66 Meets Wonder Woman '77


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General Discussion / Re: Super 'Suckers / Sitcomics update
« on: July 10, 2017, 06:17:56 AM »
YES!! *<-- (If there were a smiley for 'tears of joy' it would go right here.)

I was beginning to despair that Sitcomics had given up. I know there are a lot more profitable avenues of endeavor that you could be spending your time and effort on, so it has to be a true labor of love, and for that I thank you, sir.

September can't come fast enough! I am so looking forward to reading the next Super Suckers binge book!

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