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General Discussion / Re: What are you listening too ?
« on: August 20, 2017, 09:15:33 AM »
I'm really just doing this for fun.

Sure, there's nothing wrong with that. But isn't that what people say about tarot or psychic readings, palmistry, numerology, or astrology, which they also claim not to understand? Not saying it has to be important, just wondering if there's any real significance.


I don't know if there's any significance, but I would definitely put it above all those things you list.  At least this is based on science.  I don't think you can say that about those other things. 

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General Discussion / Re: What are you listening too ?
« on: August 20, 2017, 07:16:03 AM »

I'm not a scientist.  I don't know how they can tell, but it's a huge business and if it was a total scam I'm pretty sure we'd know that by now.  This isn't Tarot card reading.  As I say, it's not an exact science, but it evidently can give you an idea.

I'm surprised you're not even curious about how it supposedly works, given that you felt it was important enough to be tested for. Or that no basic layman's information explaining how DNA testing works (for your purposes) was provided by the lab doing the testing. Blind faith?

Which raises questions about who and what we are to begin with... biological machines bound to our DNA "Operating Systems"? The sum of two merged sets of accumulated "program code" encoded over millennia (some lines of code of which are dominant, and some recessive), running a "Software Application" program (determined by the accumulated information, bit by bit, of our life experiences)?

Or if not, then how important is it, given that you thought it was relevant in some way to who you are? It has to be admitted that we are limited in some ways by our DNA Operating System, which we can never change no matter what we do, but it does make me wonder, in this specific example, what is it about the "lines of code" (genes) in our DNA O/Ss that are specific to people historically inhabiting particular geographic locations on earth that is important in some way -- i.e., what sort of important code is conferred upon individuals with "Irish genes" as opposed to "French genes", or vice-versa, quantitatively or qualitatively speaking? I guess you can point to some observable physical characteristics endemic to either group, but what does it all mean to the individual?


DeCarlo, I doubt I'd understand how it works even if it was explained.  I'm not educated in science.  I'm not into genealogy but I have a friend who is way into her family tree and has been around this stuff for years.  She seems to think it's legit.  I'm not saying that means it is.  Have you not seen the commercials for ancestry.com, 23andme.com, or My Heritage just to name a few?  These companies have been around for awhile now and I'd think if it wasn't on the level, it would have been exposed. 


I'm really just doing this for fun.  I'm not a person who cares much about what my ancestors were.  I AM annoyed by French people (not all of course, again, I'm just having fun) so I thought it was funny that after 48 years of thinking I was 60-80 percent French that I came back as more Irish than French, especially since my name is Rene' Maurice Passarieu, which is about the most French name you'll see in the US.  Ha ha. 


Even if it's all BS and I really am more French than Irish, this just gave me something to kid around about with people at work.  My wife came back as 60 percent British.  We had no idea what she was.  So we went to a British pub to celebrate and had baked beans on toast, chips (fries), and Fullers ESB.  It's just something meaningless to celebrate.


Sorry if I came off as this all meaning something important! 

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General Discussion / Re: What are you listening too ?
« on: August 19, 2017, 07:28:03 PM »
I know it's not an exact science, DCR, but yes, you can tell that from a DNA test.

But HOW can they tell by your genes? Given that even a generation ago such tests didn't exist? Even now the sampling of people that ever take such a DNA test has to be a minuscule fractional percentage of the overall population. So how do they know some specific gene is traceable back in time over many generations to populations from a specific geographic locale?  Even if they are able to access every single DNA test result ever given, the sampling has to be far too small to be definitive, but more importantly, there's no data going back in time for decades for comparative purposes. I find the concept somewhat baffling. It almost sounds like "Well, it's pretty simple -- all French people have the French Gene, and all Irish people have the Irish Gene", which sounds like some nutty "racial science" kind of crap.


I'm not a scientist.  I don't know how they can tell, but it's a huge business and if it was a total scam I'm pretty sure we'd know that by now.  This isn't Tarot card reading.  As I say, it's not an exact science, but it evidently can give you an idea. 

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General Discussion / Re: What are you listening too ?
« on: August 19, 2017, 12:37:44 PM »
"Just Because I'm Irish" by Jonathan Richman and Julia Sweeney


I just got my DNA test back and after my whole life thinking I was mostly French, I find that I'm more Irish than French!


They can tell what nationality your ancestors were by a DNA test? How does that work, exactly?   ???
It's not like DNA testing has been around that long, so what's their basis for sorting genomes based on geographical residence? I mean, how many people ever even get a DNA test that's looking at region-specific factors? Especially when you consider that people do tend to move around, ever since things like horses, boats, and even feet became all the rage for the mobility thing.


I know it's not an exact science, DCR, but yes, you can tell that from a DNA test.   My name is Rene Maurice Passarieu, which is about as French as you can get and my father was born in New Orleans in 1912 and his father was born in France in the 1800s.  I have always been told I was 80 percent French but my test came back 29 percent Irleand and 24 percent Iberian peninsula (south of France).  I'm actually relieved because I'm not a big fan of the French accent or language, and I love The Pogues. 

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General Discussion / Re: What are you listening too ?
« on: August 19, 2017, 08:51:51 AM »
"Just Because I'm Irish" by Jonathan Richman and Julia Sweeney


I just got my DNA test back and after my whole life thinking I was mostly French, I find that I'm more Irish than French! 

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I'm pretty sure we'll see a Your Pal Archie-style Betty and Veronica before long.

I wish I had your optimism about it, Vegan. I'm more worried right now about how many issues of YPA we can get before the plug is pulled. Ideally I would wish for "more than 22", but... comic shop consumers seem to give any kind of humor series a chilly reception.


Oh you didn't know YPA is already just a 5 issue miniseries?  Dan Parent says it "might" go further, but as I said before he hinted at another series or something and maybe that will be B&V.  I just can't see Archie having Vixens be the only Betty and Veronica product.  B&V are their most popular characters. 

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I'm pretty sure we'll see a Your Pal Archie-style Betty and Veronica before long. 


The first issue of Adam Hughes' Betty and Veronica sold a ton because those two names are very popular, more than Archie himself.


It would be crazy for Archie Comics not to bring a near-classic Betty and Veronica to market soon. 

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Why oh why can't they make a Betty and Veronica series marketed towards women?


I agree.  Even though I'm male, my taste runs more toward what women read, especially in comics. 

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Reviews / Re: Some reviews.
« on: August 11, 2017, 02:02:14 PM »
ARCHIE'S BIG BOOK: MAGIC, MUSIC & MISCHIEF is a full-sized (same page size as a standard comic book), 304-page collection of some of the best stories (all older ones) from Sabrina, Josie and Little Archie. I get the impression that they're putting this out to try to build familiarity with Archie readers for these, their next three biggest character franchises, and you really couldn't ask for a better introductory volume.

MAGIC: Most of the Sabrina stories here were just recently reprinted in the SABRINA THE TEENAGE WITCH COMPLETE COLLECTION v1, which I reviewed above, but there they were printed in black & white at the smaller page size used for the Best of Archie Comics trade collection. Here they're full-sized and in color. The editor selected all Dan DeCarlo-illustrated stories (with one exception, a short drawn by Stan Goldberg) for this collection, including all of his key earliest ones from Archie's Madhouse. The rest are choice early stories from Archie's TV Laugh-Out, Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and one from Sabrina's Christmas Magic.

It was when I was counting the pages that I noticed there are just about 80 pages of Sabrina stories here, and that the cover illustration of Sabrina (which is also used in a larger image for the title page of the Sabrina section) is the same one that appeared as the cover of the formerly-solicited, then cancelled, SABRINA 80-PAGE GIANT, so I think if that comic had actually been published these are exactly the same stories you would have seen reprinted in that 80-Page Giant. While there are a few more than 80 pages in both the Josie and Little Archie section, I noted (again) that the images used on both the cover of this collection and the title pages of those characters' sections were the same as the ones that appeared on the covers for the respective 80-PAGE GIANT comics solicited, then cancelled, for JOSIE and LITTLE ARCHIE, so I'm guessing that 80 pages out of each of those sections would have made up those Giant comics.

MUSIC: Well, not all music. Three of the longer stories that begin this section ("A Gym Dandy", "Footlight Follies", and "Sweater Girls") are non-musical/non-Pussycats stories reprinted in their entirety (they were book-length stories) from early issues of She's Josie. Issues #1-3, in fact. I couldn't have been more delighted. I consider the longer early stories of She's Josie to be the very best stories Archie Comic Publications have ever produced, and these three showcase the talent of Frank Doyle and Dan DeCarlo at the height of their artistic powers. If ACP is ever wondering how to produce a new comic book that will actually be good, then they should dissect and analyze the way these stories are written and structured, and try to adapt that to stories about modern teenagers taking place today. I'm not saying they could do it, but they should at least attempt it. Josie was an interesting creation, because it involved the three main female characters taken from a proposed newspaper strip which Dan DeCarlo tried, and failed, to interest newspaper syndicate editors in. The male characters didn't come from those prototype strips though. They came from the last thing that Frank Doyle and Dan DeCarlo had worked on together, which was "The NEW" Wilbur. If you look carefully at Albert and Alexander, they're really just Wilbur and his rival Alec from the aforementioned series, with slightly different hairstyles and more stylish (for 1963) clothes. Albert even originally had the same flattop/brushcut hairstyle as Wilbur's, except that Wilbur was blond, and tended to dress more like the 1950s Archie, with letter sweatervests, saddle shoes, and checkered pants. The main difference here between Alec (from Wilbur) and Alexander Cabot is that instead of just being upper-middle class like Reggie Mantle, Alexander Cabot is filthy rich like the Lodges, and just as spoiled by it as Veronica. Otherwise the early Alexander looks and acts almost identically with Wilbur's rival Alec. Then there is Sock (short for Socrates, by the way, in case you didn't know), the big, dumb, (but good-natured) jock athlete who's absolutely bananas for Pepper and would do anything for her. He's an evolution of Tiny, who played a similar role (inspired by Moose, of course) in Wilbur's stories. Then there's Pepper, who had a namesake in the earlier Wilbur stories, but was nothing like Josie's Pepper, personality-wise. Although she may have taken some personality bits from a character in Wilber named Dodo. I have been fascinated by how "The NEW Wilbur" fits into the picture of characters' evolution in Archie Comics ever since I began noticing all the similarities. It's not so obvious, when you look at the characters of Alexander, who evolved considerably further in later stories of Josie and the Pussycats, and even Albert and Pepper evolved a little differently towards the end -- before being dropped altogether to make way for Alan M. Mayberry and Valerie Brown (later Smith). Did I mention that all the Josie stories (including the Pussycats ones) reprinted in this collection are also illustrated by Dan DeCarlo? All except one, just like in the previous Sabrina section. There's one final short drawn by Stan Goldberg, reprinted from years later than the original run of J&tP.

MISCHIEF: I'm not going to lie to you. I didn't actually read this section yet. But they all look to be early LA stories written and drawn by Bob Bolling. Bolling is an interesting writer to me, because he has very specific tastes, and includes very distinctive elements of fantasy, mystery, adventure and the supernatural in his stories (that goes for most of them, if he's allowed the page length to develop those ideas, regardless if it's a regular Archie story, a Betty story, or a Little Archie story). The shorter Little Archie stories rarely have those elements in them, and those are the ones mainly reprinted in the digests. This section contains at least two longer (both look to be book-length) stories containing those elements, that I plan on reading later. They are "Little Archie on Mars" and "The Strange Case of the Mystery Map". These both seem to contain complex plots, and other interesting incidental characters. I couldn't tell you what it is about stories featuring mainly a cast of primary-school children that disinterest me, but it is what it is.


I was already going to get this but now I'm EXCITED to get it, thanks to you.  I agree with you that She's Josie is the best Archie Comics ever did!!  And I agree that they should try to do something like this now. 

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Still, biker chicks are gross, something I've never said about B&V.

Zombies and werewolves are gross, but I didn't read you raising a stink about it when they turned Jughead into one of them. Maybe you're just saving up your outrage for when they turn him into a surfer dude?

I have no interest in reading "Jughead is a werewolf". Stupidest idea ever. Unless there turns out to be more to it than just that. Like if his future time-travelling self had to hunt down his past werewolf-self by chasing him throughout history or something. Probably still pointless though, since it would be obvious he's already succeeded (think about it).

My point is, on a relative scale? Oh, in this series B&V ride motorcycles. Big whoop, I'm appalled. A drop in the bucket compared to any of a half-dozen plot twists Aguirre-Sacasa has served up on a platter. That's just the TV show, not AWA.


I agree zombies and werewolves are gross but not AS gross as chicks dressed like bikers in my opinion.  I want to stress that I'm a hardcore feminist and believe women who want to be bikers should do so.  I'm only stating a personal preference when it comes to what art I want to look at.  I have a certain image of Betty and Veronica and that's what I prefer.  It's not that I think it's WRONG that they're making them bikers, it just turns me completely off.   BUT as I said, I'll give issue one a try and if the writing is great, I'm sure I can deal with the image.  It will just have to be REALLY great. 


As far as Jughead: The Hunger, I enjoyed the one shot moderately.  I'm hoping for better things now that they're committing to an ongoing.  I agree it will be too one note if that's the whole gist. 

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I doubt that Betty & Veronica VIXENS will be anything like Sons of Anarchy, but we'll see I guess.

Yeah,Besides Sons of Anarchy has biker genre. So maybe VIXENS will do the same thing except it probably pays more homage to the Biker films from the late 60's to 70s

Maybe it's me, but trying to read between the lines there I didn't get the slightest impression that VIXENS was going to be a "MR" title, so probably no sex and drugs, or anything R-rated there, I think. More like some fantasy B&V 'girls gone wild' thing, while remaining all-ages, like the New Riverdale titles. Who knows, maybe we'll see Nick St. Clair again?  ::)

The only one of these I'm REMOTELY interested in is B&V Vixens but I'm only committing to one issue and hope it's better than the concept sounds. 

This might be a bridge too far for me.  Call me old fashioned but biker chicks disgust me and thinking of Betty as some kind of edgy biker (or Veronica for that matter) is disturbing. 

I've been pretty supportive of all the reboots up to now.  I'm hoping this one surprises me, but this might be the first Archie reboot I don't subscribe to.

Keep in mind that it's written and drawn by women, VJ. I very much doubt you're going to see B&V portrayed in the more realistic vein of the outlaw biker women on Sons of Anarchy, or the stereotypical biker chicks of the 1968-1972 R-rated biker exploitation movies. They won't be drinking beer, smoking pot, seeing which one can amass the biggest collection of tattoos, and having random sex off-panel with hunky biker dudes.

I imagine this will be more like a girly girlpower schoolgirl fantasy of... "Hey, did you ever imagine what it would be like if we were badass biker babes? Vroom! VaROOM!!"  "Oh wow, I wonder what THAT would be like...?" [...Cue harpstring chorus and wavy-gravy dissolve to the dream sequence.]  ...But if they're smart they'll realize that the title can't survive with only female readers, so they'll try to make sure it has some appeal to male readers as well.

I don't think this will be any more of an "action" title than the recently rebooted Josie and the Pussycats. I don't expect the kind of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa written/David Lynch-inspired "dark underbelly" take of an Afterlife With Archie. Veronica will still be picking out her designer original biker leathers from Paris, and Betty will still be stopping to help a little girl find her stray cat.


Maybe you should write it.  That doesn't seem as bad as what I'm fearing.  Still, biker chicks are gross, something I've never said about B&V.

I just don't see where you're getting a heebie-jeebie vibe from THIS cover (drawn by the actual interior artist), Vegan. This looks sort of quaint, almost like those fairy-tale covers.


I don't know what it is, either, DCR.  I just don't like it.  Like I said, I'll give the first issue a try. I'll give ANY Archie Comics title a try (except Dark Circle; that's just too far outside my world), and I'm going to try to be open minded, but I even like Adam Hughes' take on B&V much better than this and I wasn't really fond of that either.  I'm hoping this is temporary and we can get a Your Pal Archie style Betty and Veronica before much longer.

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I doubt that Betty & Veronica VIXENS will be anything like Sons of Anarchy, but we'll see I guess.

Yeah,Besides Sons of Anarchy has biker genre. So maybe VIXENS will do the same thing except it probably pays more homage to the Biker films from the late 60's to 70s

Maybe it's me, but trying to read between the lines there I didn't get the slightest impression that VIXENS was going to be a "MR" title, so probably no sex and drugs, or anything R-rated there, I think. More like some fantasy B&V 'girls gone wild' thing, while remaining all-ages, like the New Riverdale titles. Who knows, maybe we'll see Nick St. Clair again?  ::)

The only one of these I'm REMOTELY interested in is B&V Vixens but I'm only committing to one issue and hope it's better than the concept sounds. 

This might be a bridge too far for me.  Call me old fashioned but biker chicks disgust me and thinking of Betty as some kind of edgy biker (or Veronica for that matter) is disturbing. 

I've been pretty supportive of all the reboots up to now.  I'm hoping this one surprises me, but this might be the first Archie reboot I don't subscribe to.

Keep in mind that it's written and drawn by women, VJ. I very much doubt you're going to see B&V portrayed in the more realistic vein of the outlaw biker women on Sons of Anarchy, or the stereotypical biker chicks of the 1968-1972 R-rated biker exploitation movies. They won't be drinking beer, smoking pot, seeing which one can amass the biggest collection of tattoos, and having random sex off-panel with hunky biker dudes.

I imagine this will be more like a girly girlpower schoolgirl fantasy of... "Hey, did you ever imagine what it would be like if we were badass biker babes? Vroom! VaROOM!!"  "Oh wow, I wonder what THAT would be like...?" [...Cue harpstring chorus and wavy-gravy dissolve to the dream sequence.]  ...But if they're smart they'll realize that the title can't survive with only female readers, so they'll try to make sure it has some appeal to male readers as well.

I don't think this will be any more of an "action" title than the recently rebooted Josie and the Pussycats. I don't expect the kind of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa written/David Lynch-inspired "dark underbelly" take of an Afterlife With Archie. Veronica will still be picking out her designer original biker leathers from Paris, and Betty will still be stopping to help a little girl find her stray cat.


Maybe you should write it.  That doesn't seem as bad as what I'm fearing.  Still, biker chicks are gross, something I've never said about B&V. 

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The only one of these I'm REMOTELY interested in is B&V Vixens but I'm only committing to one issue and hope it's better than the concept sounds. 


This might be a bridge too far for me.  Call me old fashioned but biker chicks disgust me and thinking of Betty as some kind of edgy biker (or Veronica for that matter) is disturbing. 


I've been pretty supportive of all the reboots up to now.  I'm hoping this one surprises me, but this might be the first Archie reboot I don't subscribe to. 

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Welcome/Introductions / Re: Hello, Citizens of Riverdale!
« on: August 04, 2017, 09:49:03 AM »
"Veronica in Texas" was just reprinted last month in one of the B&V digests. I enjoyed it, but didn't learn a thing about Texas. Neither did Veronica, since she spent most of the story with concussion-induced amnesia laboring under the delusion that she was "Dusty Marlowe, Rodeo Star" (from a novel she'd been reading on the plane just before she hit her head due to unexpected turbulence). As "Dusty", she dyed her hair red, which made her look amazingly like Cheryl Blossom (admittedly not much of a concern for readers in 1991, when the story was first published in VERONICA #17). I kinda miss Lady Smitty.


Oh, I need to get a hold of this!

It's in Betty & Veronica Jumbo Comics Digest #255.

Which, by the way, doesn't look like this issue that was solicited a few months ago...


Instead it looks like this:


It officially went on sale July 26th, but I think my subscription copy arrived almost a week early. This is another one of those "switcharoo solicits" that hardly ever gets mentioned, but in the last couple of months there were a spate of them (I think the revised cover art originally appeared on a solicitation for Archie's Funhouse digest, which seems to have skipped an issue, or maybe I'm thinking of the previous B&V Friends Jumbo Comics Digest #254), culminating in the announcement that Jughead & Archie Double Digest was being cancelled and replaced by Archie & Me Comics Digest. It should still be on sale at Barnes & Noble and Wal-Mart brick & mortars, as well as wherever digital comics are sold.

At any rate, various digest shipping dates as solicited got changed, as well as the contents, page count, and cover art... so things appear to be in a volatile state in digestland. The last time it happened on that scale was a few months before both Archie's Funhouse and Jughead & Archie got cut back from 10 times a year to only six times a year.


Thanks!  I have a subscription to that digest and I actually started reading that issue last night so I'll see that story soon. 

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