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#1
All About Archie / Animated series: voice actor picks?
January 12, 2017, 01:44:45 AM
I've been thinking about this a lot every since Derek Charm started doing the art for Jughead. They seem to havescrapped the "It's Archie" cartoon they were planning, but if they were to produce a new animated series (with Derek Charm's art style, because why not?), who should voice the characters?

So far I have:
Diane Pershing for Veronica
Grey DeLisle as Betty
And "Weird Al" Yankovic as Jughead.

What would your casting picks be?
#2
Welcome/Introductions / Re: hey hey hey
January 12, 2017, 01:30:12 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 01:17:28 AM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 12, 2017, 12:59:45 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: Acejughead on January 11, 2017, 10:36:02 PM

IT'S SAID IN-COMIC AND BY THE AUTHOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT FROM THEM

I want to hear it coming from Jughead himself. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask, for the author to take what he's saying on the internet and put those words into Jughead's dialogue. I've read the comics, and it doesn't matter what Kevin decides to label Jughead, only what Jughead labels himself. Kevin can speak for himself, but not for Jughead.

You shouldn't have to read what the author says on the internet to interpret what's in the comic (that's a DVD extra 'commentary' track). It's entirely possible (even more than possible if you're not keeping up with the internet buzz) to read what Jughead himself says or doesn't say in NRJ as not particularly different from a lot of the classic Jughead stories. Maybe ACP feels that in an all-ages comic it can't be as overt as that, but I don't see what the big deal is. Just show me where he refers to or identifies himself as asexual, that's all. If you want to make a definite statement about something, then just have the character say it out loud, instead of implying it, or having the author explain what he meant, outside of the context of the story. Otherwise it isn't a strong statement of an idea; it's not conclusive.

I guess maybe I have to state in no uncertain terms that what I'm criticizing here isn't some issue of whether Jughead is or isn't asexual, I'm criticizing the writing itself. The story should speak for itself so that the author has to add no out-of-context commentary.
I think that's kind of the point. He HASN'T been changed as far as characterization. All that's changed is the terminology. And he's the rest of that page, where Jughead confirms Kevin's assessment:


Actually, this is exactly what I mean. Instead of Jughead addressing Kevin's identification of him directly, he immediately deflects that into a tangent about Jughead's own relative lack of vulnerabilities or weaknesses compared to Kevin or anyone else. At the same time he isn't challenging what Kevin says about him, he isn't committing to it in principle by reiterating that same identification that Kevin mentioned in his own words, unless you're satisfied by "Yeah, well..."



"I don't get crushes" is the definition of asexuality.
#3
Welcome/Introductions / Re: hey hey hey
January 12, 2017, 12:59:45 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 12:28:51 AM
Quote from: Acejughead on January 11, 2017, 10:36:02 PM

IT'S SAID IN-COMIC AND BY THE AUTHOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT FROM THEM

I want to hear it coming from Jughead himself. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask, for the author to take what he's saying on the internet and put those words into Jughead's dialogue. I've read the comics, and it doesn't matter what Kevin decides to label Jughead, only what Jughead labels himself. Kevin can speak for himself, but not for Jughead.

You shouldn't have to read what the author says on the internet to interpret what's in the comic (that's a DVD extra 'commentary' track). It's entirely possible (even more than possible if you're not keeping up with the internet buzz) to read what Jughead himself says or doesn't say in NRJ as not particularly different from a lot of the classic Jughead stories. Maybe ACP feels that in an all-ages comic it can't be as overt as that, but I don't see what the big deal is. Just show me where he refers to or identifies himself as asexual, that's all. If you want to make a definite statement about something, then just have the character say it out loud, instead of implying it, or having the author explain what he meant, outside of the context of the story. Otherwise it isn't a strong statement of an idea; it's not conclusive.

I guess maybe I have to state in no uncertain terms that what I'm criticizing here isn't some issue of whether Jughead is or isn't asexual, I'm criticizing the writing itself. The story should speak for itself so that the author has to add no out-of-context commentary.
I think that's kind of the point. He HASN'T been changed as far as characterization. All that's changed is the terminology. And he's the rest of that page, where Jughead confirms Kevin's assessment:
#4
All About Archie / Jughead's nose
January 11, 2017, 11:39:01 PM
Just anything you want to say about ol' needle-nose' needle nose.


To start us off: is that why all his voice actors have really nasally voices?
#5
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 11, 2017, 10:52:54 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Reggie also showed interest in a lamp post once and yet. . .


Come on, now. That's just silly ::)  and it is not the same thing, at all.
I know it's silly  :P
That's what I'm saying. Stranger things have happened than Jughead being ace.

#6
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 11, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?

I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


Your right about the vintage feeling, and I think that's why they decided to keep printing new stories in the house style in the digests.


I'm not sure how the new comics are any less innocent though  ???


I'm talking about the TV Series. This is the TV Series thread.
Ah, you're right. We just got so off topic
#7
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 11, 2017, 10:41:25 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?

I would. I like those stories. There's something really endearing about them.
But I get what you're saying. And yet, even if throughout the years Archie has always been trying to be up to date with the modern times, the comics still feel vintage-y and nostalgic. At least that's how I feel about them. I don't know how to explain it exactly. Like for example, me as a kid in the 1980s reading 80s Archie stories, I never felt like they were modern. They always had that old (in a good way) feeling. Same in the 90s, same in the early 2000s. That is what I love about them. The classic, vintage, innocent feeling. That's what this new spin is lacking.


Your right about the vintage feeling, and I think that's why they decided to keep printing new stories in the house style in the digests.


I'm not sure how the new comics are any less innocent though  ???
#8
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 11, 2017, 10:37:47 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 11, 2017, 10:18:21 PM
Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.


Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.
um, but he has shown interest in girls  ::)
I personally am not avoiding it. JUGHEAD IS STRAIGHT! There  ;)
Reggie also showed interest in a lamp post once and yet. . .
#9
Quote from: BettyReggie on January 11, 2017, 06:59:37 PM
I just read my digital copy of Jughead #12 . I liked it a lot. It was very colorful. Reggie & Jughead are so cute. I liked the story.
I loved this issue! I love the art and and the writing is so good I can practically hear the characters voices  :smitten:
#10
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 11, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
I understand the concern with keeping the characters' personalities true to their original characterizations. However, keep in mind that Archie comics is made to reflect teenage life--in whatever era they're being printed.
Just look at all the changes that have happened since they were first printed in the forties. Just like pop culture references have to be updated for the new era, so do cultural aspects. I mean, we wouldn't want stories about Archie driving a jalopy and the characters making jokes about women drivers now a days, would we?
These comics are about teens. And not everybody's teenage experience is the same. This is why, sometimes, labels ARE important. But you're right, it's not the labels others put on us, but the labels we put on ourselves, that really matter. That's why it's so important when a character like Jughead, one of the most popular characters in history, a STAPLE of pop culture, says "I don't get crushes", because someone might read it and think "he's like me" just like some of you might have even you read your first Archie comic and thought, "wow, this Jughead guy just loves to eat and sleep! He's got the right idea!"
And consider: these new adaptations haven't really changed who the characters are, not at the core. Yes, Betty is much more vocal about social justice issues, but this is just an effect of, as y'all mentioned, her kind and caring nature. She is very empathetic and it's only natural that she should care about social issues.
And yes, Jughead is asexual. But this is nothing new. Jughead's anyways been adverse to dating. Besides his passion for burgers, it's one of his most iconic characteristics. It's just been characterized differently through the years. At one point he was a "woman hater". At one point he was dating Archie's future descendent ( ??? ?). The point is, this isn't even the most radical change to Jughead's characterization. It's not even a change. It's just an update in terminology.
#11
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 10, 2017, 12:38:37 AM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: apple on January 07, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on January 07, 2017, 10:41:40 AM
Political Correctness is a cancer. It ruins everything.
I'm sorry but I really don't see how changing the race of a couple characters is harming the source material. That's not even what "political correctness" is. The characters that are most changed from their comic counterpart are actually the ones who were kept white anyway.



???  I didn't even mention anything about race. But now that you mention it, it does harm some because the characters were actually based on real people. For example Josie was based on Decarlo's wife. But the people doing the casting are all "screw that" let's make her black, heck, let's make all three of them black. But that is a secondary thing, it doesn't affect the story (I hope). I stand by what I said about political correctness, though.(and I am not talking about race here) It needs to stop. People have become such pussies nowadays.


Maybe if you clarify what you mean by "political correctness" we could have a more constructive discussion. Because right now, "political correctness is a cancer" seems like kind of an inflammatory statement.
#12
Quote from: apple on January 08, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
Quote from: BettyReggie on January 08, 2017, 09:28:03 AM

It could be a character that never really talk about, what about Chuck or Dilton being the killer of Jason?
I could totally see them doing that. Like, making the killer someone really random like that. Of course, I hope they'd do it in a way as to where if you go back and watch it again after the fact you pick up on little hints and clues that you missed the first time around. It could be really interesting that way.


Though really, killer Dilton?
You don't know what he's capable of [x:P
#13
I remember they used to have all the characters' birthday and zodiacs on the Archie comics website. I can't remember all of them but I remember Reggie's birthday was June 25. He's a Leo, just like me  :P
#14
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
January 06, 2017, 09:48:59 PM
I was a cautiously optimistic when I heard about this show. But I'm really excited for it now. I just wish people would be more open minded about the way the show is headed. I mean, obviously they're trying to take it in a new direction. I mean, we don't want to see the same stories rehashed over and over again, do we?
I'm just worried all this hate one the casting and the storyline might affect the cast's morale.  :-[
#15
Welcome/Introductions / What's up?
January 06, 2017, 09:25:05 PM
New user here! I've been an Archie fan a long time and used to do a lot of reading here before the crash. Stumbled upon a link to the revamped site and decided to make an account!
I like all kinds of Archie stuff, new, old, comics, TV, you name it, I love it!