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#1
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
April 01, 2017, 07:23:28 AM



Even if they fight sometimes, Jughead and Veronica are friends who hang out together in a group, and they play in the same band. He goes to her parties. He should show concern for her if she's crying. If he decides to ignore her because of what you said about her treating Archie badly, he is wrong to do that, just as Veronica would be wrong to ignore him because of his misogyny, if their positions were reversed.


I don't think his response in the last panel seemed weak or undecided. Jughead isn't the kind to say something unless he means it. I doubt Veronica bursts into tears because of what Reggie says; she was already crying. They are across the street, so she probably can't hear them. But I agree with how you described Jughead's motives and thoughts when he talks to Betty.I don't think that what Jughead said to Betty earlier is bad; I just think that he was wrong to make fun of Veronica for crying and not ask her why.
#2
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 31, 2017, 04:05:36 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 30, 2017, 10:17:15 AM


It helps to explain your reasoning for why you ranked them that way.




6. Jughead sees Veronica crying, but doesn't do anything to help her or ask what's wrong, and mocks her at Reggie's prompting. I don't think he was trying to respect her privacy. In other Archie stories, people who see their friends crying either ask them what's wrong right away, or worry about it for a while and then ask them. Jughead just agreed with Reggie.


5. Reggie isn't there when Veronica cries, and only knows what Jughead tells him, that she "looked sad," which could mean anything. He doesn't how nearby she is, so he can't find her and try to comfort her as easily. But he's still dismissive of what could be a serious problem, for all he knows. He's hypocritical, too, since he's usually more selfish than her.


4. Archie might be innocent, but he still just heard his girlfriend is sad and doesn't try to find her or defend her. He might be planning to look for her, though, and maybe he defends her after the last panel.


3. The nurses didn't do anything wrong, since they didn't know that Veronica was listening to them, or that she planned to talk to her father about giving money to the hospital.


2. It was nice of Veronica to help at the hospital, and to plan on asking her father to help, although we don't see if she did ask him.


1. It was the best of Betty to help and ask Veronica to help. She showed the most kindness in this story, although I agree that Veronica's charity moments are sweet because they're rare!




I feel sorriest for Betty because the nurses showed, once she had left, that they don't think the dolls are a very valuable contribution. "A measly couple of handmade dolls." Betty, who can't afford to give anything else, would have felt even worse than Veronica hearing that. Veronica is entitled to feel crushed for a little while when her hard work is criticized, but she only worked on the dolls for one day, and she's lucky she's able to help make larger contributions. Betty might never be able to, and she made a big project of the dolls, but the only reason the nurses were nice about them is because they feel she can't be expected to do any better. This story seems to be critical of the nurses, but it includes a panel of Veronica deciding to ask her father to give the hospital money, because without it, we would probably feel the same way the nurses did. "Just dolls? That's all she's giving?"


I don't think the nurses are prejudiced against Veronica herself. The writer would have made them say it, instead of saying "They didn't get rich by giving their money away." I think Craig Boldman was writing about how people dehumanize the rich and see them only in terms of money, and that this is unfair to the children of the rich, who didn't choose their income level. He makes us resent Veronica at the beginning for being spoiled with money her parents made, and then plays against it at the end by showing an injustice that her parents also created. I think he was trying to do that, but I don't think he was right. The nurses are right, at least that rich people should give more.

The snob and cheapness of the Lodges seems to depend on the writer.








Veronica is a snob in a lot of stories, too. But I think the nurses are thinking of the family's money more than their character.


That was what I took away from this story, but I'm thinking over the other comments made here. Thanks to everyone for your input. It's great to have feedback on stories that leave me feeling, "There must be something more to this."

#3
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 31, 2017, 03:08:39 AM
Quote from: SAGG on March 30, 2017, 06:36:28 PM
First of all, thank you for lifting this story from my album, stylishnotebook:) 


No need to thank me! Like I said, thank you. I saw a lot of great stories in your gallery.  :)



#4
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 30, 2017, 07:25:43 AM
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 30, 2017, 06:17:07 AM
Apparently Ronnie's got a long memory for these beach shenanigans... (I guess she had to wait until she remembered to wear her actual swimsuit).
This time it looks like the inflatable will be punctured on porpoise:D






Ouch!  ;)  Very lovely cover find.Thank you all for your opinions on the last story. My ranking would be a little different.


1. Betty (best)

2. Veronica

3. Nurses


4. Archie

5. Reggie

6. Jughead


My answer to my second question would be Betty. Even though we don't agree on the morality of some characters, I appreciate the dissenting viewpoints that are expressed so well here.
#5
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 29, 2017, 04:08:04 AM
Thanks for your reply. You have such insights. This story is written by Craig Boldman. He's credited in Betty and Veronica 225.

I've heard that nurses in some hospitals still have the option of wearing traditional dresses if they want, but I think artists just like to draw them that way because it looks more classic.


I think we're supposed to assume the curly haired nurse is the one responding off-panel.
#6
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 28, 2017, 08:06:21 PM
I borrowed this from SAGG's gallery. Thank you!
























Who do you think acted the worst in this story? And who do you feel sorriest for in this story?
#7
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 28, 2017, 07:23:19 PM




Thank you to everyone again for your answers, and I'll add mine.




1. Ross (the best)


2. Veronica


3. Archie


4. Reggie


5. Betty






For my next story questions, I'll borrow something from the gallery.
#8
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 28, 2017, 06:56:27 AM
A lot of good speeches in this thread, thank you. Ross is the best, too. I think we can all agree on that.
#9
All About Archie / Re: Character Ethics
March 25, 2017, 02:00:32 AM
Thanks for your thoughtful answer! There's no right or wrong way of looking at it, of course. Everyone I ask has their own ranking.


The picture links aren't working on my friend's screen. If anyone here has trouble with them, I'll repost them.
#10
All About Archie / Character Ethics
March 24, 2017, 09:30:27 AM
Ahoy again! I have a question, just for fun this time.


First, read this story.




























Now, who do you think behaved the worst?

Rank the characters from most to least bad in this story.


Think hard; there's no rush!  :)
 

#11
Story Help / Story where Betty changes her hair
March 24, 2017, 08:24:52 AM
Ahoy, does anyone know the name of the story where Betty wears her hair down at the beach and all the boys fall in love with her? It was drawn by Al Hartley.