At a guess I would think that the comic coming out the month before the show is no accident — someone wants to keep the original comic brand alive, and if it came out after the show there'd be push back to race-change the comic characters too ...
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Show posts MenuQuote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 06, 2016, 01:11:18 AMThe 3 part story from Tales from Riverdale Digest #22-24 featuring nearly every Archie character (as at least a face in the crowd) — Archie wants Riverdale teens to go "on strike" for a raise in allowance and such concessions from their parents, while Jug feels it's counterproductive ...
What was "Civil Chore" (parodying Marvel's "Civil War", I guess) and how did it involve Archie vs Jughead? Is it worth reading?
Quote from: BettyReggie on June 01, 2016, 06:45:46 AMAnd the series came back from a break today ...
Paper Girls -Volume #1 is coming to my library. I can't wait to read it. One girl is named Erin in the book & that's my real name.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 01, 2016, 01:42:09 AMMost likely the colourist (or whoever made the decision) barely read any Archie stories, skimmed this one and thought ''Leroy is a stereotypical black name" and away you go ...
I know we had a thread on the old site where we were discussing the practice of reprinted stories altering characters' race. I weighed in with the opinion that it didn't bother me in principle (as long as the reprint isn't an archival type collection, like a trade paperback... regular digests, it doesn't bother me) -- BUT what I DO find offensive is that it's so often done so poorly, in terms of choosing the character -- thus making the race change stick out like a sore thumb. It's like flashing a neon sign advertising with a big arrow "FAKE BLACK PERSON".
The most recent Archie digest, JUGHEAD AND ARCHIE JUMBO COMICS #21, contains the most ridiculous example of this race-changing practice that I've ever seen, proving that the colorists are so bored that they can't even be bothered to read the story which they're coloring, and are choosing which characters to race-swap on an entirely random basis, as long as they're not reoccurring characters. Well, this time the colorist goofed big time.
In the reprint of the classic Craig Boldman/Rex Lindsey Jughead story "LEMON Harangue" in this issue, LEROY LODGE has all of a sudden become black. Now granted, Leroy only appears in three or four panels in this story, and is only referred to by name in one of them -- although in the panel prior to that one, Jughead thinks "Oh great, here comes Veronica's bratty cousin!" But here's the thing... this story has SEVERAL incidental characters who appear in as many panels as Leroy, any one of whom would have made a suitable candidate for race-changing.
Leroy, on the other hand -- apart from being a fairly well-known (except to the colorist, apparently) character, has spiky hair, and freckles, and is accompanied in the story by an unnamed friend in all of the panels in which he appears -- why not the friend?! Or the reporter who, walking by, observes Jughead attempting to charge Veronica $20 for a glass of lemonade, and thinks it would make an interesting human interest piece for the paper. Or the kid named Billy who asked Jughead to watch his lemonade stand for him while he took a break for lunch, or the entrepreneur who offers to buy Jughead's formula for lemonade thinking it must be the greatest lemonade ever created, if Jughead can get away with charging $20 a glass for it (Veronica bought 2 glasses), or the little girl who Jughead convinces that the lemonade must be terrible if Billy made it with his "grubby little hands" -- the whole point being that Jughead has only agreed to watch the stand because Billy agreed to let him have all the lemonade he wants for free, and Jughead wants to keep it all for himself, which is why he tries to charge Leroy $5 a glass for it, but Leroy passes, and then complains about Jughead's prices to Veronica.
The point is, there were at least four other incidental characters in this story that the colorist could have chosen to race-swap, but didn't.
Instead, he chose to race-swap Leroy Lodge, who is not only a reoccurring character, but Veronica's cousin who has appeared many times, and has always been Caucasian. UNBELIEVABLE.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 27, 2016, 03:33:03 PMThis issue actually looks hopeful for their world in a way — the flesheaters are centrally controlled, the central control believes that the humans have a "hope" and at least claim that they could be restored to normal (though I wouldn't trust that part) and there's also the question of how corrupted Sabrina is now ... knowing that I could see a plan to break that link and end things in the course of a limited series of as short as 15 issues (based on 5-issue arcs). I would bet on Sabrina's collusion, though not necessarily survival (not sure if she'd want to), and like vs. Predator I don't know how many others could be expected to survive.
The only reason I'm still reading it is under the assumption that RA-S has an ending planned (and within a reasonable number of issues). If ACP thinks they're going to put another writer on it and try to play it out (monthly) for as long as people are willing to pony up $4 an issue, I am O-U-T.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 23, 2016, 05:58:56 AMThe whole cartoon reality thing (as you define it — I'd really look for a different term though, that one's taken) applied to comics in general until the Silver Age when Marvel especially, and DC more hesitantly, began to do footnotes & backrefs to establish continuity ... Archie was just a little late to the game ... and DC frequently branded soon of their better stories which would have substantially changed the status quo as "imaginary" (where later they'd get an "Elseworlds" brand) ...Quote from: daren on May 23, 2016, 03:57:06 AM
It's true. I wish we could have both but classic somewhat discontinuous Archie is way more important.
I forgot to add that after the 1987 volume 2 'soft reboot' (so soft it went undetected by most readers apart from the numbering), continuity was not only allowed but seemingly encouraged. Yet even so, ACP didn't totally abandon the earlier flexibility of cartoon reality, so in a way, you got the benefits of both, by not applying the idea of 'continuity' TOO strictly -- but this period is where you first began to see footnotes acknowledging the events of previous stories.
Note, for example, that this is the period where stories too at-variance with 'standard Archie' became specifically delineated as "fictional" -- a play put on by The Mighty Archie Art Players, where previously, the exact same type of story (taking place in another time period, or parodying a movie or book) would have just appeared with no attempt to justify their anomalous nature.