Quote from: daren on June 30, 2016, 04:33:15 AM

Yeah, and even stranger that Al Hartley wrote it. I think that MUST be miscredited, I can't believe he would put that in there!

I wondered if it was him; it looked like his art. I'm not that surprised that he would give Veronica the bird. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he usually go out of his way to portray Reggie and Veronica negatively or find a way to punish them?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 30, 2016, 07:29:47 AM

Quote from: Thrillho on June 29, 2016, 07:13:50 PM
Veronica's lie about the Jones' was terrible but I don't really see how she is any worse than Betty who would have done the same.

Thanks for posting that. Again, it's one I know I have in a collection somewhere... but ??

I guess the only mitigating factor/ethical difference for Betty is that she and Jellybean have a relationship already, and they genuinely like one another. Betty might be using her a little bit here, but she loves spending time with Jellybean anyway, so really she's not trying to trick this guy into thinking she's compassionate and caring when she isn't (unlike Veronica, who doesn't even really like Jellybean in this story).

Regardless of being compassionate or caring, she is still using Jellybean and she would still have to make up a lie like Veronica did to get the hot nanny to come over and stay.

I do wonder what happens when Nanny Boy finds out the truth, that Betty set up Veronica to look like a kidnapper to get a date with him.

Quote from: Meldarwin on June 29, 2016, 03:51:10 AM
I quietly lurk. 

I did that too when I first started out but I soon found out it's a lot more fun to participate. I'd like to see your opinions too.

Quote from: irishmoxie on April 29, 2016, 02:48:55 AM
They comment on every thread of which there aren't very many and get bored and leave. This forum doesn't have a huge amount of action or differing opinions.

I noticed we can't keep kids here who all seemed to get bored and leave without warning. I'm starting to think they're all the same kid.

Bingo.

Quote from: Jabroniville on June 29, 2016, 03:58:59 AM

Basically, my character would be the Frank Grimes of the Archie Universe .

Then he dies in an attempt to emulate Archie?

Meanwhile, when I read Archie stories I don't read too much into them, and since there is no clear continuity--with some exceptions--I can only take it all at face value so arguing this is pointless.

I do have the story you keep referring to in relation to "Beach Blanket Babysitters", "Oh, Nanny Boy"








Veronica's lie about the Jones' was terrible but I don't really see how she is any worse than Betty who would have done the same.

Quote from: daren on June 25, 2016, 12:53:42 AM





Betty/Reggie fan art from tumblr, I saved the comments too, they're cute.

Cute! Do you have a link?



Betty and Reggie playing doctor, eh? 




Wasted opportunity, Betty and Reggie! 

Quote from: daren on June 28, 2016, 01:59:46 AM

I have read this story before and I can't believe I didn't notice what Jughead said.  Sometimes I'm surprised what Archie gets away with.

Quote from: Original Sin on June 25, 2016, 05:49:43 PM

Quote from: Midge Klump on June 25, 2016, 02:08:07 PM

Quote from: Original Sin on June 23, 2016, 08:41:14 PM
A nemesis/arch-rival for Kevin Keller, with whom KK would have a sizzling love-hate chemistry. In my head I call this character Rico. He would be quite the Casanova, and convinced that any gay, bi or questioning male must fall for his charms. He would have two or three minions who hang on his every word. He would be the last word in style. He would be witty, sarcastic, seductive. In short, Rico would be everything KK is not.

I love that idea, but I wouldn't want Rico to be too overbearing and pressuring on anyone including Kevin. To me that just send the wrong message about the gay community and gay people. Not to change your perspective on Rico I would have Rico still the Casanova who loves himself and feels he is super charming(sort f like Reggie in that way).

I don't think giving a gay character some flaws or negative traits would send the wrong message about the community. Flawed characters are usually more popular. And I think Archie Comics tried playing it too safe with Kevin Keller, and made him too perfect and vanilla. Someone like Rico could be a nice foil for him.

And of course, the whole thing would be done in an exaggerated cartoony slapstick style, like the awesome Archie stories of earlier eras. Characters can behave outrageously in that kind of comic book stories. 

I agree, Kevin needs a good foil and at the end of the day gay people are people so there are, of course, some jerks. The only way Rico would be a problem is if he was the only portrayal of a gay person in Archie Comics but Kevin is already such a role model, for anyone really, that I don't really see a problem.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 25, 2016, 01:28:09 PM

I'm sure I have "Beach Blanket Babysitters" in a collection somewhere, but I can't remember where now. And since you didn't post the entire story, I can't remember exactly how it started now or what it was that changed Jellybean's mind about Veronica and made her decide that she was her friend after all. Let's remember here that Jellybean is just a child too, who's just having some innocent fun, and perhaps being a little mischievous as well. Let's not forget the point of the story, which is that Jellybean is capable of making her own choices, and isn't just some kind of puppet for Jughead to use to carry out his will.

As far as continuity is concerned, you're mistaken about there not being ANY between stories in Archie Comics. Sometimes there is, and sometimes there isn't. In most cases where there is, a footnote will alert the reader to the prior story, but just because there isn't a footnote, I don't assume no continuity unless there's a direct contradiction that seems to say otherwise. I'm thinking specifically about a couple of B&V Christmas stories ("Jingles All the Way" and "Holiday Watch") featuring both Jingles (and his human guise of Jimmy) and Sugar Plum (and her human guise as Summer), which appeared almost a year apart and ARE connected (and a footnote tells you so). In the next story in which the two characters appear together, there's no continuity with the prior two stories -- and all of them are by Dan Parent.

I assumed in "Beach Blanket Babysitters" that it was referencing the first story where Veronica basically uses Jellybean for selfish reasons to cast herself in a favorable light as a caring person who loves children (when the opposite is the true case, in reality, in that first story), and that Jellybean was somehow remembering that. I didn't read "Hey Sister" in the order it came out, I read it as a reprint, so I wasn't really sure where it fit vis-a-vis the other two Jellybean/Veronica stories. There's yet another Veronica/Jellybean story involving Mr. Lodge (who turns out to be a collector of valuable old PEZ dispensers, one of which Jellybean takes a fancy to) as well, and I think that's the one I was thinking of as the second story.

To reiterate:

Quote from: Thrillho on June 25, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
All we know in "Beach Blanket Babysitters" is that Jughead influenced Jellybean to be anti-Veronica for no apparent reason other than he wants to mess with her.

There is no editors note, no call-backs (except Jug and Ron's tension) and I'm not going to do any mental gymnastics to try to justify that Veronica did something to warrant Jughead and Jellybean's pranks and I highly doubt Archie Comics or Dan Parent expects us to remember every story and connect them all together without an editor's note. All daren and I noticed was that Jughead tends to mess with Veronica without provocation more likely than she is, though the vast majority of Jughead vs Veronica stories tend to have them go at it in a response to something.

I didn't want to post the whole story as the focus was not on Veronica and Jellybean's relationship but Jughead and Veronica's but here's the beginning anyway.





And we're shown that Veronica was right, Jughead was influencing Jellybean before she had formed her own opinion of Veronica.

They aren't developing characters of color at the expense of Midge.

The characters mentioned: Sheila, Ginger, Toni, Trev have all been introduced for a specific reason. Sheila is Veronica's fashion foil, Ginger was meant to replace Cheryl Blossom as Archie's third option, Toni is supposed to unsettle Jughead, and Trev is a love interest for Betty. Midge couldn't possibly fulfill those roles. They haven't done a great job with the influx of characters of color but I don't think the writers are purposefully relegating Midge to the background because as DeCarlo Rules said

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 25, 2016, 03:01:13 AM

The problem is, Midge is kind of trapped in this one gag, where every setup has some guy who either talks to her or looks at her (or at least Moose so believes), followed by the same (literal) punchline -- a beating by Moose. Midge's potential character development is pretty much imprisoned in that gag situation for as long as it endures, and it's never really gone away.

Quote from: daren on June 25, 2016, 12:43:58 AM










no Betty, what are you doing?? don't cater to that smiling ******! 

That belongs in the "Betty is Crazy Collection" too. 

I have a good one where Archie is a huge **** Let your imagination fill in that word.




He just gets worse and worse

🙀 Poor Veronica, being taken advantage of like that!

Quote from: BettyReggie on June 25, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Jughead & Veronica still seem to hate each other in the reboot of Archie & the new reboot of Jughead. Will get along in Adam Hughes version of Betty & Veronica. Probably not.

I wonder what Mark Waid is going to do with them. They haven't really interacted aside from a look and offhand comments from Veronica. You would think they have something to talk about considering he used to be super spoiled rich too. It's pretty obvious why Jughead would dislike Veronica but there's no apparent reason why she would dislike him considering she's trying to make things with Archie work. I think the best chance for interaction would be Archie's book. Betty & Veronica probably doesn't have any room for Jughead yet, unless Hughes is making Jughead Betty's confidant but I don't see Jughead really becoming a part of that book.

Quote from: daren on June 25, 2016, 01:45:29 AM

from DA by "crunkFONICAS", feels like there's more to it somewhere doesn't it?

Lol, I've seen that one before and I inferred that Jughead was gay though. I mean, Veronica doesn't exactly have a working gaydar.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 25, 2016, 06:11:52 AM

Ah, but this isn't the first Veronica/Jellybean story, it's the second (or possibly even the third). In the first one, Veronica doesn't like Jellybean because she thinks that she's just like a little Jughead. Nevertheless, it doesn't prevent Veronica from trying to exploit Jellybean's innate cuteness when she tries to babysit her as an excuse to get an "in" with a hunky male nanny that she meets in the park. In that one, Jughead finds out what's going on, and with Jellybean as an accomplice, teaches Veronica a well-deserved lesson.

The above story is kind of sweet, because after Jellybean senses that Veronica has learned her lesson, she only torments her a little bit for good measure -- sort of like the guys busting on each other in camaraderie -- before deciding that she's a good egg after all, and she actually likes her. After that, Jellybean isn't willing to go along with her brother's dirty tricks. Just goes to show Jellybean has a mind of her own.

What exactly did Veronica do wrong in this story to warrant "being taught a lesson"? She was right Jughead was out to get her through Jellybean.

Furthermore, there is no continuity in the Archie-verse, not even with the same writers. Each story is self-contained and has no bearing on any others. "Beach Blanket Babysitters" was published in 2010 and it didn't acknowledge a 2003 story where Veronica and Jellybean are already close, "Hey Sister."







They're both written by Dan Parent but the second one contradicts the first. They were already friends and liked each other.

All we know in "Beach Blanket Babysitters" is that Jughead influenced Jellybean to be anti-Veronica for no apparent reason other than he wants to mess with her.

I was disappointed in the coloring as well; I don't like it at all. I liked the art though, I thought it was well done, reminiscent of his work on mainstream Archie but tweeked and a little cleaner. I like Kevin but I love Veronica and that's what has got me interested in this book. Is it wrong I want to see Kevin's attempts to bring back real journalism fail? It bugs me how perfect he is and I need to see him fail at something and become a little cynical.

I didn't get the feeling Archie #9 was all that different from previous issues. It still seems more mature than classic Archie with everyone talking about their feelings and such, and Jughead was similar when Jughead exploded at Archie for wanting to peek at a girls camp. It's still focused on relationship dramas and there still aren't much in the way of gags or punchlines.