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#121
Quote from: Musical_Necromancer on June 13, 2016, 08:35:56 AM
i don't think it'll be canned unless sega's cutting ties with archie and going to another publisher(which is also unlikely)


Good point however since the comic didn't get the popularity it once had i think its time that sega should end ties with archie comics and put an end to the series.
#122
Quote from: kassandralove on June 10, 2016, 11:05:21 PM
I've actually never read them. If they are doing well they should keep going.
If the digests get cancelled well that will be one very sad day :(


Indeed it will be if it happens




Quote from: Musical_Necromancerof course not!  sonic has such a rich history with archie being the longest running video game based comic book series and it's the only good thing sonic has now

Yes but not for along i still think it will be cancelled.
#123
Quote from: Barbaric William Dreadbeard
Another question similar to this, is should they cancel the entire digest line, and start over?


If it does at least they will reprint the classics in digital form or maybe in hardcover book types.
#124
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules



Well, that's the reason that classic Archie titles got cancelled. They weren't selling. Accepting that that is the case, and if the current Archie Action (Sonic) line isn't selling well, then there's no reason to think that bringing back something like the original Life With Archie or Explorers of the Unknown would sell either.

Personally, I'd love it... which is exactly the sort of prognostication of doom you don't want. Anything I love is doomed to failure, it seems.




Yeah guess people in modern times weren't interested in those type of books (the classics ones that is) but at leat they are interested in the reboot ones.However i still think tis best that archie comics should cancel sonic comic line.
#125
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 09, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
Quote from: terrence12 on June 09, 2016, 10:26:05 AM
Then maybe have "Archie Action" revise its brand by replacing the sonic comics books with the reimagining on the real "archie action-adventure"  line like archie's explorers of the unknown, pureheart the powerful,The reimagining homage of archie adventurous stories from the 70s and The Man from R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E. or at least make a archie universe  version of "agents of SHIELD" they would have some laughs like their original line but with tons of action and adventure something like a comedy-action movie or something.


I guess the only reason they should cancel the Sonic comics is if they aren't selling well enough. I personally don't care for them, but as long as there are enough people who do, why shouldn't they continue?


I would personally be all for your idea - although it seems to go contrary to everything ACP is doing these days in terms of new titles, so I doubt that something like it would actually happen. But my main point would be, whether they did it or not, they should only cancel the Sonic titles if sales are bad, because it would have nothing to do with any of the titles you propose. If Sonic sales are that bad, maybe they should do a stupid reboot of those. Or just cancel them.


Yeah ,I agree  sonic comic books didn't sell well so I think it's better they should cancel the line when it reached issue 300 or some issue.

Besides Archie comics now just mainly focus mostly on their rebooted titles, The dark circle (which might be a success or not) and Archie horror title which becomes a surprisingly hit known for its dark humor and throwback to the other horror comics.

But one opinion if any staff member of Archie comics read this thread don't you think its time they should cancel the line, its no longer attracting many readers anymore so its time to retire that sonic comic book line and maybe rebrand the Archie action line with original titles like reboot the Archie adventures from the 70's which were once drawn by a young Stan Goldberg from the 70's to early 80's including the reboot of explorers of the unknown.
#126
Quote from: Barbaric William Dreadbeard on June 09, 2016, 10:53:42 AM
Another question similar to this, is should they cancel the entire digest line, and start over?


If they cancel the digest line then ...maybe    :-\  but at least they will reprint the classics in different formats like special,TPBs or digital magazine
#127
Alternate title :Is it time that archie comics should cancel the whole  sonic the hedgehog comic book line and "revise" the archie action brand like the reimagining of archie's explorers of the unknown, pureheart the powerful,The reimagining homage of archie adventurous stories from the 70s and The Man from R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E. or at least the archie version of "agents of SHIELD"?


I know what you are saying "Letting archie comics cancel sonic the hedgehog? ,it's stupid and ridiculous" that's what  you are going to say but there is the reason why i have to say this,You know the Sonic the hedgehog comics looks great  especially to fans who read for many years that was "then" This is "now" and "now"  the line  didn't get the huge sales like it once had many years ago infact the "sonic mania" is dying down  and no one is almost interested in video game comic books anymore .


And it is for the best  that Archie action and SEGA  should cancel the whole Sonic comic book line after many years for its run  and should end  the main sonic the hedgehog series with a milestone issue like maybe 300 or 350? and to let it end with a bang.


Then maybe have "Archie Action" revise its brand by replacing the sonic comics books with the reimagining on the real "archie action-adventure"  line like archie's explorers of the unknown, pureheart the powerful,The reimagining homage of archie adventurous stories from the 70s and The Man from R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E. or at least make a archie universe  version of "agents of SHIELD" they would have some laughs like their original line but with tons of action and adventure something like a comedy-action movie or something.

So what do you say is it time that both archie comics and Sega should end the sonic the hedgehog comic book run after so many years and replace them with "original" archie action comics ?



#128
Quote from: Mazz on May 21, 2016, 08:28:22 AM
From seeing the sneak peak of the trailer before it was taking down what really gets me down about this whole thing is when they are taking out the whole "innocence" of Riverdale. Archie comics and Riverdale is innocence and this show seems to be far from what the comics have established for so many decades.


Heck it was supposed to be the first archie live action series faithful to the source material not about deconstructing its reputation.




Quote from: DeCarlo RulesI'm just going to chalk that up to your not having paid that close attention to the information trickling out about Riverdale up to this point. It's a pretty short hop between travesty and tragedy for fans of classic Archie Comics. Why would ACP allow it? They've abandoned any hope of fidelity to the spirit of the original comics. At this point they're just hoping to get some notoriety for generating shock waves. It's the old concept of "no such thing as BAD publicity"."Archie Comics? Do they still make those??


Yeah i agree with you   >:(


and you know what  i watched  the trailer from a site i wouldn't reveal to you though it's on ahem tumblr by the name "betty-and-jughead" and named as "ipikaboo-spoiler-from-cws-riverdale-trailer"

Anyway i watched the trailer and you know what i think i think that it's deserves to have mixed or negative reviews with low ratings like A&E damien and then it will someday be cancelled ,SO that archie comics will understand their mistakes and make a real teen sitcom faithful to the source materials element comedy which will be in the tone of boy meets world or make it as a Disney or Nickelodeon tween sitcom.I mean tv tried to make a live action archie sitcom in the 50s (or was it early 60's) and in the 70s (variety hour pilot ) So why make it as a drama that it loosely based on a source material it's stupid!



#129
Quote from: DeCarlo RulesWell, terrence surprised me. Nobody really seems to mention anything about the comedy in any of their posts, and invisifan seems to be praising it for the qualities most diametrically opposed to that... grounded, reality-based, continuity-driven etc., all the things you'd associate with drama. He wants to keep the fantasy out of it, because that would seem to spoil any grounded, realistic, dramatic suspension of disbelief for him (and yet, he reads superhero comics, and they have the fantasy element, generally without comedy). I guess outright slapstick comedy would spoil the grounded realism as well. People seem to be liking it specifically for the drama/continuity, unless I'm completely misreading people's comments. I don't mind seeing a little bit of that thrown in here and there just for the sake of contrast and to break things up a little, but it's not what I read Archie Comics for. It was okay just for LIFE WITH ARCHIE, I guess, because the whole point of that was everything about it was different from the 'standard' Archie comic as possible. (Just like AFTERLIFE, the whole point is to contrast against the usual.)To be honest, I think LWA could have dialed back the angsty-ness a couple notches and thrown in a comedy bit or two now and then, just to remind people it actually was an Archie Comic. But then again, it wasn't a mainstream Archie comic book, or pretending to be one.


Yes i know but i still think that the liveaction archie should be a sitcom or a tween sitcom and be faithful to the element of the source material comedy.and i agree about life with archie the married life spinoff but i think it should remain as a dramatic spinoff with some little laughs.




Quote from: invisifanSitcoms on TV are on a decline — the ones that make it aren't as mundane as Archie seems after 75 years ... and as for more general "teen" shows, "Glee" and "High School Musical" showed they can work, but also sucked the air out of the room as far as competition — they also showed it's far to easy to overdo it, or do it wrong, so no one wants to try.

Actually sitcoms are still working heck look at the big bang theory for example even tween sitcoms.

Quote from: invisifan@DCR — I'm saying it needs a consistent feel — throwing in actual magic stuff ruins the feel they are trying for, comedy wouldn't do that — there's already some in there, and it could be cranked up quite a bit and be enjoyable ... but it should be grounded in reality since that's the tone they've set; if you want a magic/fantasy/superhero series, start a new comic in another Archiverse like they have for ChAoS & AWA


That is true since archie after the forties begin to go surreal. with magic/fantasy and superhero stuff


Quote from: DeCarlo Rules lSitcoms on TV are on a decline — the ones that make it aren't as mundane as Archie seems after 75 years ... and as for more general "teen" shows, "Glee" and "High School Musical" showed they can work, but also sucked the air out of the room as far as competition — they also showed it's far to easy to overdo it, or do it wrong, so no one wants to try. @DCR — I'm saying it needs a consistent feel — throwing in actual magic stuff ruins the feel they are trying for, comedy wouldn't do that — there's already some in there, and it could be cranked up quite a bit and be enjoyable ... but it should be grounded in reality since that's the tone they've set; if you want a magic/fantasy/superhero series, start a new comic in another Archiverse like they have for ChAoS & AWA


Quote from: DeCarlo Rules lI know Mark Waid had previous experience doing a few Archie stories way back when ("Moose!" and one or two others I've seen reprinted), but it's curious to me why ACP didn't just hire someone 'big name' that had a previous track record of putting a lot of humor/comedy into their scripts (at least, on some of their work... I've read a LOT of Waid's stuff, and never really picked up on much comedy in any of the series I've read by him). I'm thinking of somebody like Dan Slott over at Marvel (and of course, they're not going to get Dan Slott, but someone like him, and there are more than a few people like that working in mainstream comics). So I have to believe that wasn't any sort of primary consideration on ACP's part. Maybe if someone like Rex Lindsey was drawing Waid's scripts they'd at least come across as funnier. I'm not too interested in a rom-com or whatever the current subgenre thing is now. I really only have the vaguest idea of what that really is. It's not a genre I've ever really followed."Sitcom" punctuated with a good dose of slapstick now and then is really what I want from an Archie comic. But that can be like in a TV series like Community, Parks and Recreation, 30 Rock, something like that. That and cute girls, but not just "good girl art" of the Adam Hughes type. I mean sexy/cartoony/cute/innocent type girls, like... maybe something like the Bruce Timm/Darwyn Cooke style.


As i said before sitcoms are running and are still good but in different formats sometimes without laugh tracks and sometimes set in a real environment in a different setting rather than the traditional sitcom formats when we were young. and yes i think that romance will be included since it always happened in every archie comic  stories.

Quote from: irishmoxieThe new Riverdale comic/Archie reboot reads like a YA novel with all the "teen" slang and angst. There are moments of comedy in there but it's mostly in the art, not the dialogue i.e. Archie setting ice cream on fire, Archie being flattened by a bulldozer. The Riverdale TV show feels a lot like The OC (with the new Betty being Marissa) and a little of Dawson's Creek (with the whole dating your teacher thing).


Yeah i agree so i think the live action archie should be a comedy and be faithful to the comedic element of the source material with a little bit of drama like how scrubs did with special episodes about teenage problems or maybe at least be disney channel/nickelodeon tween sitcom.


Quote from: invisifanRomantic comedy — more of a movie genre really, not one that's normally sustained over a long term ...


Well i think that the romantic genre should be included since it's also the element of archie comics with the love triangle part even though it goes on repetitive all over the years and made it maximum with the 'harem' part


Quote from: invisifanIs the Darwyn Cooke reference coincidental?  You know he died  literally yesterday

Quote from: DeCarlo RulesI had not heard. He will be sorely missed. The comics industry needed more talents of his caliber. I would consider him one of the most serious cartoonists of this generation.And I'd forgotten about Waid doing THE FOX momentarily. Now that I think about it that was funnier than the Archie reboot, but Waid's role in that was somewhat different. The Fox is really Dean Haspiel's brainchild (although Waid was a sounding board that he bounced his ideas off). Waid would then come in after Haspiel "wrote" the visual story, and add his dialogue and captions. So Haspiel is Kirby here, and Waid is Lee... In other words, the genesis of each issue did not begin with Waid sending Haspiel a script to draw from. Haspiel's written some of his own stuff in the past, so he's (at least) co-writer on THE FOX, although not the dialoguer.



Yeah he will truly be missed  :'(  he maybe a great artist for dc comics known for his 50's style artwork but at least he did a variant cover  for the fox comic






#130
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 15, 2016, 12:00:10 PM
The reboot is comedy? Guess I missed it, or maybe they just left it out of the first 2 issues. Those were the only ones I read. There's a little bit in Jughead, but 'way too little. Can't just be me, because when Jonathan was commenting on the Riverdale Podcast about what he felt was lacking in ARCHIE #8, he specifically mentioned the lack of comedy. I guess maybe all the comedy must have occurred (if you say so) between issues 3 and 7, but it seems like an odd way to run a comic book.


Well yeah the archie reboot comic is comedy but has a tints of drama in it .


Quote from: spazaru on May 15, 2016, 12:22:16 PMComedy is in the eye of the beholder.  I've found comedy sprinkled throughout all the issues.  I pointed out to Jonathan a gag I thought he missed in the latest issue and he said he did miss it and that he was in a grumpy mood when he read it and that he would give it another try.  Hopefully he'll let us know what he thinks after he does.

True.




Quote from: longtermarchie101 on May 15, 2016, 12:22:54 PMthey greenlit this sludge?!... my god archie comics, warner brothers, the cw... what are you guys doing... I know I cant be the only one alienated by this..


Yeah now you know how i feel.
#131
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 15, 2016, 11:22:44 AM
Why ACP would make an Archie series without laughs is basically what's been bugging me since the reboot. Since a lot of people seem to be fine with it (indeed, better than fine - they seem to prefer it that way), I've stopped questioning it. I'll never understand it, but apparently that's what people want.


Yes because this archie reboot has the element of comedy in it with a bit of drama including jughead.So why can't they make a sitcom instead with a bit of drama.Heck why would poeple want a archie series without comedy.
#132
All About Archie / Re: Riverdale TV Series
May 15, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: Vespa on May 14, 2016, 07:01:53 PM
I'm going to be cautionary optimistic about this show .

you and me both




and you know what i agree with you riverdale series is going to be a failure because it isn't faithful to what the source material has comedy
#133
Hey guys i am back now i know that erasing my old account in this forum is unforgivable but at least i started new with a same old username but with a new password so anyway back to my current topic.

As you know the good news is that CW greenlights riverdale which is great  :)  but there is something that bothers me  ???

Seeing that  riverdale will  just a  drama series with dark elements it made me wonder, Shouldn't CW and archie comics at least make a archie riverdale series as a "teen sitcom" or maybe a tween sitcom that should be aired on nickelodeon or disney channel instead.


I mean sure we want drama but make the archie live action series as a  comedy series, Why? because the main source material of archie comics (minus the spinoffs,the adventure,the horror  and action version)  are always comedy which was the reason why it was successful back in the day.


I mean why would archie comics and CW make a drama version of archie riverdale series without laughs  i mean sure the company gains success thanks to its drama spinoff the married life and the horror title afterlife with archie but to have  a series with dark elements and have the characters find out  dark secrets in this town and not be faithful or loosely faithful to the source material that's unforgivable ,It needs to be a teen sitcom with a element that the source material needs "comedy" i mean yes we also need little of the drama elements including teenage issues for some special episodes if it is a "teen sitcom" .So what i am saying is that the live action archie series should be comedy not some dark teen drama series.


and if this show gets mixed reviews and will never be renewed for a future season  then archie comics and CW should regret that they should have made a teen  sitcom instead or at least  make it as a disney channel/disney XD/Nickelodeon sitcom.