Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 11, 2017, 02:24:36 AM
It will be interesting to see whether this turns out to be Betty & Veronica "dressed like" bikers, or Betty & Veronica AS bikers. There's a huge gap between those two to me. Not all bikers are the same, but as long as they remain Betty & Veronica (as I understand them), and there's some sense of humor to it, I'll be happy with it. Adam Hughes' version did not meet those requirements for me.

I think it will be the later as this will take place in the world where Betty and veronica are bikers but they will still be betty and veronica

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 11, 2017, 02:24:36 AM
Can they be convincing (in whatever context they're using, which may turn out to be more fantasy than reality) as bikers, and still BE Betty & Veronica? That's what I'm interested in finding out. I suspect that a little TOO much reality here could torpedo the whole idea, because it would force the characters to change to fit the situation. If it turns out that the Vixens in the story are merely lookalikes for B&V, and aren't really those characters at all, as they've been previously established, I'll drop it like a hot potato.

Well since the vixens series takes place in the world where betty and veronica are bikers ,I think they will change but they will always be betty and veronica

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 10, 2017, 02:56:08 PM

Quote from: terrence12 on August 10, 2017, 10:10:47 AM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 10, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Hey, everything they've been publishing (except the digest stories) since mid-2015 has been an "alternate take" as far as I'm concerned. And before that, Afterlife With Archie. And before THAT, Life With Archie, and before THAT, "New Look Archie" and "Manga Sabrina".

Ok,Ok so most of the brand stories except the main one are  alternate takes of the characters.

You still failed to grasp my point, terrence. What you are calling "the main one" IS an alternate take, no different than the rest of those I mentioned (and the many others I failed to mention). If it's not "classic Archie", then by definition it's "an alternate take". And at its current longevity of 22 issues, it still has a long way to go to beat the previous alternate take record-holder (Life With Archie magazine).

That's not to say I dislike all alternate takes. There are plenty of them "in the classic Archie style" (as they used to say in the ads for the digests)... Pureheart the Powerful (& friends), Jughead's Time Police, Archie 1, Archie 3000!, Archie's Weird Mysteries, Agents B&V, Archie's Explorers of the Unknown, Jughead Jones Semi-Private Eye, Betty & Veronica's Storybook, Archie Cyber Adventures, Betty Cooper Super-Sleuther, etc.

Before the appearance of Your Pal Archie #1, ACP had completely ceased publishing any "regular, non-alternate" Archie comic books in the floppy comics format for two years, while the new 5-page "regular" stories in the digests continued on.

Sorry,I was just understanding and you have a good point most publications of Archie comics are alternate versions of the main characters

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 10, 2017, 08:47:51 AM
Hey, everything they've been publishing (except the digest stories) since mid-2015 has been an "alternate take" as far as I'm concerned. And before that, Afterlife With Archie. And before THAT, Life With Archie, and before THAT, "New Look Archie" and "Manga Sabrina".

Ok,Ok so most of the brand stories except the main one are  alternate takes of the characters.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 06:54:57 PM

Quote from: terrence12 on August 09, 2017, 01:15:56 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
I'm surprised you didn't mention the rebooted COSMO, since that's the only title they specifically mentioned as being an Archie Action title.

Actually COSMO hasn't been announced yet or greenlighted

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/archie-comics-ceo-taking-risks-classic-characters-future-riverdale-1027516?utm_source=twitter&utm_source=Direct

THAT sure sounded like an announcement to me... plus the confirmation that Sonic is moving to IDW.

Woah! You're not kidding ,Archie comics is about to revive COSMO but still with SONIC no longer part of the Archie comics and that the upcoming revived COSMO is too childish with those designs,I think maybe Archie Comics should make  all ages line for the revived COSMO (instead of Archie Action) along with Art Baltazar's Little Archie if it turned into a full series

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 07:47:55 PMKeep in mind that it's written and drawn by women, VJ. I very much doubt you're going to see B&V portrayed in the more realistic vein of the outlaw biker women on Sons of Anarchy, or the stereotypical biker chicks of the 1968-1972 R-rated biker exploitation movies. They won't be drinking beer, smoking pot, seeing which one can amass the biggest collection of tattoos, and having random sex off-panel with hunky biker dudes.I imagine this will be more like a girly girlpower schoolgirl fantasy of... "Hey, did you ever imagine what it would be like if we were badass biker babes? Vroom! VaROOM!!"  "Oh wow, I wonder what THAT would be like...?" [...Cue harpstring chorus and wavy-gravy dissolve to the dream sequence.]  ...But if they're smart they'll realize that the title can't survive with only female readers, so they'll try to make sure it has some appeal to male readers as well.I don't think this will be any more of an "action" title than the recently rebooted Josie and the Pussycats. I don't expect the kind of Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa written/David Lynch-inspired "dark underbelly" take of an Afterlife With Archie. Veronica will still be picking out her designer original biker leathers from Paris, and Betty will still be stopping to help a little girl find her stray cat.

Maybe but as for the reboot of Josie and the Pussycats I think that this comic is part of the main and that VIXENS is probably an alternate take on Betty and Veronica as bikers in some different brand of Archie probably Action or something else

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 10, 2017, 07:24:49 AMI just don't see where you're getting a heebie-jeebie vibe from THIS cover (drawn by the actual interior artist), Vegan. This looks sort of quaint, almost like those fairy-tale covers.

It's still the alternate take of Betty and Veronica as Bikers.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
The Mighty Crusaders is written by Ian Flynn, so there's some hope there that it might follow in the same vein as his New Crusaders: Rise of the Heroes miniseries.

Yeah,I hope so too.I hope the series will go for a light tone but aimed for a teen audience and let Dark circle rebrand as Red circle.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
I'm surprised you didn't mention the rebooted COSMO, since that's the only title they specifically mentioned as being an Archie Action title.

Actually COSMO hasn't been announced yet or greenlighted

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on August 09, 2017, 09:56:27 AM
I doubt that Betty & Veronica VIXENS will be anything like Sons of Anarchy, but we'll see I guess.

Yeah,Besides Sons of Anarchy has biker genre. So maybe VIXENS will do the same thing except it probably pays more homage to the Biker films from the late 60's to 70s

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on August 09, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
The only one of these I'm REMOTELY interested in is B&V Vixens but I'm only committing to one issue and hope it's better than the concept sounds. 

I hope so too

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on August 09, 2017, 01:09:56 PMThis might be a bridge too far for me.  Call me old fashioned but biker chicks disgust me and thinking of Betty as some kind of edgy biker (or Veronica for that matter) is disturbing.

You might have a good point there   

Quote from: Vegan Jughead on August 09, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
I've been pretty supportive of all the reboots up to now.  I'm hoping this one surprises me, but this might be the first Archie reboot I don't subscribe to.

Maybe

I got some news from CBR.com that Archie comics is about to launch Betty and Veronica Vixens another archie alternate universe spinoff starring Betty and Veronica where it takes place in another world where Betty and Veronica are biker girls taking on every bad biker gang and pays homage to the Biker girl movies from the  late 60's to the 70's and also the female equivalent of the Sons of Anarchy and will revive The Mighty Crusaders where it will involve the Dark circle version of the mighty crusaders. You can check out the news source from this link right here: http://www.cbr.com/archie-superhero-team-betty-veronica-bikers/


But still seeing with these upcoming releases ,I think I am going to guess what these two new titles are used for, I think Betty and Veronica Vixens will be used for the newly Rebranded Archie Action where it involves the action version of the Archie characters as Superheroes like 'Pureheart and the superteens' and Spies like The Man from R.I.V.E.R.D.A.L.E Because unlike the alternate horror spinoffs which is Archie Horror/Madhouse like Afterlife with Archie, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and Jughead The hunger. Vixens would pay tribute to the Action Biker gang films from the 60's and 70's and will help to rebrand Archie:Action since it no longer has the long running Sonic the Hedgehog comics.

And with the upcoming revival of The mighty Crusaders with the Dark Circle Characters,I think that the series will return the brand to its light tone but is still aimed for the Teen Audience since Superheroes comics are for Teens only and will probably rebrand Dark Circle as Red Circle so that it can follow the process DC and MARVEL did with Rebirth and LEGACY.

This could be useful to relaunch the Archie Action brand but with realistic drawings

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 22, 2017, 02:58:41 AM
What about MEGA MAN? Will another comics company get that license from Capcom, or will Archie Action resurrect that title after a long hiatus, now that Sonic the Hedgehog comics are no longer an option for them? Or will we at least see that MEGA MAN MASTER EDITION reprint trade collection solicited last year (and then cancelled)?

I am sure IDW will adapt Mega Man except it will probably adapt the 2018 cartoon series and of course Archie Action will resurrect but it will focus on the old archie action spinoffs like Explorer s of the unknown and The man from RIVERDALE.

Hey I got some Good news and Bad news ,The good news is that IDW will now partner with SEGA and will publish the new Sonic the Hedgehog comics and they might include the popular archie sonic characters like Sally in it.http://www.cbr.com/sega-idw-announce-sonic-comics/

The Bad news it will probably won't be set in the Archie Sonic Universe since it was made by Archie but it will take place in a new continuity with no mention of the fleetway or the Archie verse and that the new series will try to be faithful to their video game source material

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 20, 2017, 07:38:47 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 20, 2017, 06:15:40 AM
Sadly true.If only Sega will allow Archie to make one more issue of Sonic the hedgehog with a closure before they end production.But If sonic is adapted to IDW  then it will be a new continuity for the sonic the hedgehog comic book series with no mention of the old Archie continuity.

That's just the way these things go sometimes. No closure for those Sonic readers who were in the midst of reading a story arc -- and no trade collection for anyone who was reading the comic that way. I guess we can reflect on the fact that this was just the standard operating procedure for MOST cancelled comics for decades, before the rise in popularity of trade paperbacks led to discretely-planned multi-issue arcs -- stories would just END, with an implied "to be continued next issue" that was never fulfilled.

Good point but if Sega give Archie one more issue to give a finale before they end production it would have been something like the one I wrote: https://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/my-plot-idea-for-archie's-sonic-the-hedgehog's-final-issues/msg11452/?topicseen#new

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 20, 2017, 01:40:50 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 19, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
Bad news sonic fans,As you all heard Archie's Sonic the hedgehog comic book series along with Sonic Universe is about to end because after many years Sega and Archie ended partnership http://www.cbr.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics/   


Which means that in about few months this year , Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe 95 will be rewritten as the final issue similar to Megaman before reaching to hiatus later revealed to be cancelation.

Let's hope the series will go off with a bang with issue 291 (along with Sonic Universe 95) since the series is about to end after many years.

Looks like the Sonic universe (for Archie Comics, anyway) ended with a whimper, not a bang, according to the article cited:

QuoteWith the dissolution of the publishing partnership, no new Sonic comics will be produced by Archie Comics going forward.

The wording of Sega's announcement seemed to imply that a licensing deal with another comics publisher was in the offing (IDW or UDON seem the most likely candidates, IMO).

Sadly true.If only Sega will allow Archie to make one more issue of Sonic the hedgehog with a closure before they end production.But If sonic is adapted to IDW  then it will be a new continuity for the sonic the hedgehog comic book series with no mention of the old Archie continuity.

Since Archie Comics and Sega's partnership comes to an end after 24 years, That means Sonic the Hedgehog # 291 and Sonic Universe # 95 will become the final story of the Archie Sonic Universe before Sega will find another comic book company possibly IDW to make a new comic book adaptation of Sonic the Hedgehog.

But in case if the 2 comic book issues are  never made, I am going to write the plot details  of the revised Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe # 95 which the latter will be the eulogy for the series.
It will be similar to what Dark Horse did with the Star Wars comic book series before giving its rights to Marvel  since Disney bought the franchise with Star Wars (dark horse 2014) issue 20 except Star wars legacy vol 2 and Archie Comics with Mega Man issue 55 ,If only this will happen to Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series .Well anyway,

Plot Details:
Sonic the Hedgehog#291 –The story will remain the same as this will be the adaptation of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 but it will be marketed as the final issue as there will be  narrations by tails about him and Sonic's first encounter with Knuckles  during their battle with Dr. Eggman. Then some added new last pages will reveal Sonic (the present one after the Shattered world crisis and the panic in the sky storyline)  reading Tails Journal about their adventures, When he heard that Tails is coming back from his walk. Sonic quickly closes the book and pretends that he didn't read Tails Journal as he is going out for a morning walk, Tails begins to suspect that Sonic had read some of his Journal but he decides to ignore it as he  is about to write about his next journal entry about his friendship with Sonic which will be explained in Sonic Universe # 95 the final issue of the series as well as the finale of Archie's Sonic Universe.
The info box at the end will say something like this  'Well Guys, That's the end of Sonic the Hedgehog comic book series, Thank you for 291 issues but if you want to see what Tails is writing in his Journal and see how this will all end , read Sonic Universe#95'

Off Panel Segment: This Off-Panel will be considered one page  as this involves characters shock that the series is cancelled and that there are many things that they wanted to do, Here's how it goes ,The Character are preparing for the next storyarc when suddenly Sonic gets a horrifying news from twitter that their Comic book series is cancelled. This cause the characters to panic and complain as they are shocked that the series didn't reach their 300^th issue milestone ,there are too many plots left unresolved, and there are upcoming story arcs which are  never to be told  and that Eggman is making plans for his world conquest, The Off Panel segment ends with Sonic looking discontent at seeing his friends and enemies panic for the inevitable

Sonic Universe #95-This will be the final issue of the series as well as the finale of Archie's Sonic Universe and it will be similar to Archie's Mega Man final issue before the issue (in reality cancellation) but it will be considered a farewell to the Archie Sonic Universe, The plot continues where Sonic the Hedgehog#291 left off as tails is about to write his journal entry about his friendship with Sonic .He will also write some of the details about his adventures with Sonic during the Pre-genesis wave through good times and dark times but there will not be any mention of Ken Pender's creations due to 'you know' lawsuit and then Tails will also write about his post genesis wave adventures that is the Shattered world crisis saga. The framing segment will also have Sonic going for a morning run and greet his friends including the Archie ones  (but no kender's characters) along with Tail's narrations saying that Sonic cares about his friends and his world and won't let anyone like Dr. Eggman ruin it.
Sonic will then have a moment of Silence for Chip (the light Gaia) who merge with the Gaia Colossus and the Dark Gaia to prevent Sonic's world from being destroyed as shown with Sonic still holding the bracelet he got  from chip. After a moment of Silence Sonic witness Eggman in his Egg Mobile and his goons about to conquer Sonic's world as always. As Sonic calls his friends to join him in defeating Eggman ,Tails finish his Journal entry before joining his friends as he says whatever bad thing  happens Sonic and his friends will always save the day as the final splash page shows Sonic and his friends charging in toward Eggman and his Army .As this will be considered as 'And the Adventures continues' ending where Sonic and his friends continue their never-ending battle and adventures .

The info box at the end will say something like this  'After 95 issues ,The series is over for now but Sonic and his friends adventures will live on,  Thank you for 25 years Sonic fans'

Off Panel Segment: The Off-panel will be considered a farewell to Archie's Sonic universe as the characters 'leave the set' after the series has come to an end and that Archie and Sonic 's partnership is over after many years especially that it pays tribute to the final moments to the series finale of The Mary Tyler Moore Show, It will also come in one or two pages  ,Here is how it goes: Sometime after  the off panel segment from Sonic #291,and taking place in party in the studio Set Sonic with tears in his eyes gives a heartwarming speech saying that even though their series is coming to an end ,he believes that they will meet again and after they raise their glass possibly water or champagne some person off panel tells them it's time to close the set.
And then we see the group of character exit the set one by one as each of the group sings It's a Long way to Tipperary ,First the original characters from the post genesis wave made by the staff of Archie Comics, Then the characters from the  post adventures era by Sega, Then the original  characters from the Pre Genesis wave made by the staff of Archie comics (but no characters by Ken Penders which again is due to lawsuit) ,Then the villains Eggman and his goons ,Then Sonic's friends Knuckles, Tails and Amy and finally Sonic himself before joining his friends stands  in front of the door alone takes one last look at the set and then us readers before he turns off the light and close the door leaving the panel all black and thus bringing Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog series to an end.


What do you think?

UPDATE: https://www.archiefans.com/all-about-archie/bad-news-sonic-fans-archie's-sonic-the-hedgehog-comic-is-cancelled/new/#new

Bad news sonic fans,As you all heard Archie's Sonic the hedgehog comic book series along with Sonic Universe is about to end because after many years Sega and Archie ended partnership http://www.cbr.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-archie-comics/   


Which means that in about few months this year , Sonic the Hedgehog Issue 291 and Sonic Universe 95 will be rewritten as the final issue similar to Megaman before reaching to hiatus later revealed to be cancelation.

Let's hope the series will go off with a bang with issue 291 (along with Sonic Universe 95) since the series is about to end after many years.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 18, 2017, 02:24:37 AM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 17, 2017, 12:48:51 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 15, 2017, 12:47:27 PM
They should just do a Little Archie horror comic, since the original is probably the "classic Archie" title that arguably came closest to that genre in its original incarnation.

Um ,I don't think this should happen since it is aimed for younger audience and is considered lighter as shown with its revival few months ago.But if it is revived it will be similar to Goosebumps comics from IDW

Bob Bolling and Dexter Taylor got away with stuff when they were doing LITTLE ARCHIE that would be inconceivable in a comic marketed to young kids today. Some of those stories really WERE pretty horrific, at least by the standards of a "kids comic". Take a look at this cover for LA #37 (mildly altered here by me, but not the actual drawing), which is not TOO far off the kind of stuff EC Comics was publishing a decade earlier:

Yeah,But it was still light hearted though and if this series is part of Archie's madhouse brand then it will a black comedy light hearted kid horror comic similar to goosebumps.