Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
What makes you think they're waiting for New Riverdale ARCHIE to end before rebooting again? Half an "UNboot" is still a form of REbooting.

Yes,But it is just an all ages spinoff as Archie Comics just focus more on the main titles that is the reboot.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
Seems like they're having second thoughts, like "Maybe we went too far...?" and the failures of the New Riverdale Reggie & Me, Josie & the Pussycats, and Jughead are pointing out that they've alienated a big percentage of their traditional fans, so they're pulling back and trying to find some middle ground. Although if the truth be known, the New Riverdale ARCHIE alienates me far more than the new JUGHEAD did (but I realize I'm in the minority on that one).

Maybe,But I think people and the critics are okay with the reboot Archie.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on July 06, 2017, 02:44:47 PM
And then there's Harley & Ivy meet Betty & Veronica, which again, seems like it's aiming somewhere "in the middle" between classic B&V and Adam Hughes' B&V... maybe slightly more to the New Riverdale side of things, while Your Pal Archie is skewing closer to the classic Archie side. Personally, I think they made a big mistake in not letting Dan Parent (or maybe Jeff Schultz or Pat & Tim Kennedy) draw this one...



And if either of those aren't big enough sellers to point the way forward to ACP, then they'll probably crank out more miniseries, up and down the tonal scale, with various mixtures of creators and percentages of comedy-to-dramedy...

Maybe this non canon crossover might be a mixture of the classic and the reboot,I think .And since the reboot Archie goes to the mature dramatic part after the Over the Edge storyline,I think Your pal Archie might be an all ages spin off,Just to be safe.

Quote from: Mr.Lodge on July 06, 2017, 05:49:18 PM

Quote from: terrence12 on July 06, 2017, 12:32:40 PMWill the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?

You mean like DC, Marvel, etc..... 

Yes.But will not have a crisis event thing like Marvel and DC

Look, This maybe considered a weird theory but here goes,You know the Archie Reboot that's been ongoing since 2015,I was thinking suppose if the writers run out of ideas for the reboot and that the characters will keep on evolving throughout the years ,I have a feeling in about few years,The Archie reboot will end and will end with the characters graduating and will have an epilogue showing their new lives though It will probably never show who Archie is married to.


Then there will be another reboot to the Archie Comics series probably about going back to the Classic roots or something new with new designs.I mean, I understand there are new writers who are going to take over the title but I  still think that those writers will probably run out of Ideas since the characters will evolve through time and then they will end this era while creating a new one.


Am I right ? Will the Archie reboot end in about few years and replace with a new reboot?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 10, 2017, 12:08:15 AM

Quote from: steveinthecity on June 09, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
Does Sega have another publisher to turn to in the event ACP doesn't renew?

Hard to say, but both IDW and Boom Studios publish kids' comics lines, into which Sonic could conceivably fit comfortably. Arguably IDW would be the better fit, since Sonic qualifies as both kid-friendly and as a nostalgia property. Are either of those companies interested? Who knows.

I think that could work ...kind of.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 10, 2017, 12:08:15 AMDC also publishes a small line of kids' titles, but it's been some years since DC actually licensed any properties for kids -- parent company Warner already has plenty of kid-targeted IPs.

Unfortunately they focus more on their main own brand including warner bros own properties

Quote from: steveinthecity on June 09, 2017, 01:56:37 PM
When does Archie officially lose the license?  Weeks, months, a year?  Just wonder if there's enough financial motivation to produce more issues if as Goldwater reportedly stated "(they) are trying to get away from Sonic because it's not really Archie"?

I don't think so.Since the series remain in hiatus.I have a feeling that it will be cancelled in about next year.

Quote from: steveinthecity on June 09, 2017, 01:56:37 PM Does Sega have another publisher to turn to in the event ACP doesn't renew?

Sadly,No.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on June 09, 2017, 06:10:48 AM
From the Bleeding Cool website (May 9th, 2017):

Quote...an Archie Comics spokesperson told us "We are aware of the questions regarding Sonic. Archie and SEGA are in communication and we hope to have some news soon. We thank the fans for their patience."

Yes,I know that but some people think that the comic book series is about to end a at any moment

Since Archie Comic's Sonic the hedgehog comics are now remaining on hiatus and with Archie comics focus more on their main brand and the television series that is called 'Riverdale'.I think that Sonic the hedgehog comic book series will come to an end.

So here are my thoughts on how Sonic the hedgehog comic book series will end when the company annouce that they end contract with Sega  and how the final issues play out.

For the Main series: Since the hiatus began with Sonic the hedgehog 290,I think the writers will probably cancel the plots for the future issues of 291-300 and just rewrite 291 or/and 292 as the farewell issue/s for the series similar to what the final issue of Mega Man did when it began its hiatus and now cancelation by just giving a sneak peek to upcoming plots that will never be made and then ends with an 'And the Adventure continues' ending along with the bonus final page saying goodbye to the fans before the series ends or maybe a break in the fourth wall issue saying that the series is cancelled as the characters leave the set before the stories are over and then ends with sonic before going along with his friends to unemployment waving goodbye .

But if Archie comics decides to give the writers a chance to write one more issue before the end  then they will release 291-294 before ending the series with issue 295 which will be the final issue of the series and it will have  the 2 similar plots to what  I said about issue 291 and perhaps maybe a funny bonus page before closing the series will have the characters complaining that the series is cancelled and they didn't reach issue 300.

But if Archie comics decided to end the series  with a bang with issue 300,I think that they will get a chance for the writers to make the final story arc from the series that will begin from issue 295 to 300 which will be the epilogue issue and bring  closure to the series

I think that the series will be released on monthly or maybe weekly since Archie Comics focus more on their main brand and just end the sonic series quickly.

For the Spinoff : Since the series has the only spinoff that is Sonic universe,I am going to guess how Archie comics is going to end the series along with the main one,Perhaps maybe they will cancel the planned freedom fighters storyarc that was supposed to begin with issue 95 to probably 100 and just turn issue 95 into the final issue as it probably deals with the series cancelation or with present Sonic thinking about the memories of his previous adventures and write down in a journal or something.

But if archie comics wants to end the series with issue 100 then they will greenlight the freedom fighters storyarc making it the final storyarc of the Sonic universe series and end it with a historic 100th issue.

and like the main series, this  series will  also be released on monthly or maybe weekly since Archie Comics focus more on their main brand and just end the sonic series quickly.

So these are my thoughts on how the final issues of Archie's Sonic the Hedgehog comic plays out,What do you think?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 25, 2017, 04:49:27 PM
Actually, DC never owned the ACP superheroes. They just licensed them from ACP, like they've licensed other characters over the years for comic books.

The 1940s incarnations of those superheroes are known as the MLJ superheroes (which all more or less ended by the time the company changed its name to Archie Comic Publications in 1946).

In 1959, Joe Simon & Jack Kirby created a couple of new superheroes titles for ACP, The Adventures of THE FLY and the Double Life of Private Strong. The latter title featured a hero named Lancelot Strong, who became an entirely new version of The Shield (completely unrelated to the earlier, 1940s version in anything but name). In 1964 ACP added a comic book adaptation of THE SHADOW, which by the third issue changed into a superhero version of that character who had super mental powers (kind of like Professor X crossed with Batman). During the early 1960s these titles all bore a corner cover box which declared them as part of the Archie Adventure Series. Around the same time The Adventures of THE JAGUAR was also added to the line. The new Shield's comic only ran 2 issues. The Shadow's comic ran 8 issues. The Jaguar's comic ran 15 issues, and The Fly's comic, having debuted several years earlier, ran 30 issues to 1964. The indicia to all these comics stated that they were published by Radio Comics, as opposed to Archie Comic Publications.

About 6 months passed without any superheroes, and then in 1965, all of a sudden The Fly was back... but now he had changed his name to FLY-MAN (with issue #31, which continued the numbering of the previous Fly series). With issue #35, and new cover corner box on FLY-MAN identified the comic as part of the Mighty Comics Group. In the issues in between, the Black Hood, the Shield, and the Comet had teamed up with Fly-Man and Fly-Girl,  to form THE MIGHTY CRUSADERS, which then spun off into its own comic book. FLY-MAN ran from #31 to #39 (with backup stories added featuring more revived MLJ heroes like the Hangman, the Web, and Steel Sterling), before changing into an anthology title called MIGHTY COMICS PRESENTS, which ran from #40 through #50 (one issue longer than Fly-Man's run). The MIGHTY CRUSADERS comic only ran 7 issues, and there was a one-shot giant-sized reprint comic called SUPER-HEROES VS. SUPER-VILLAINS. Together those 28 comics represent the entire output of The Mighty Comics Group.

The Red Circle name was originally used by in the 1970s for a short-lived series of horror comics, then lay dormant again for years until the 1980s. when the ACP superheroes were once again revived. THE MIGHTY CRUSADERS' 1980s series only ran from 1983-1985 for a total of 13 issues, but a number of the individual characters also got their own short-lived titles during this same time.

The came DC's attempt, Impact Comics, in the early 1990s, which only lasted a few years too. The second DC revival in the early 2000s was the first to revive the Red Circle imprint again. Then it lay dormant again for another decade before ACP itself finally attempted another try at superheroes with THE NEW CRUSADERS.

And ALL of those attempts were fairly straight mainstream superhero comics, until the relatively recent change in branding to Dark Circle.

So I guess the question I'd have to ask is if none of those attempts really managed to capture an audience and result in any significantly long-running titles, then what would make you think anything has changed in the times since then? Marvel and DC really do have total market domination when it comes to the genre of superheroes, so if even DC couldn't make it work for them...

Wow, you have an good accurate description  of the archie comics superheroes brand especially about its history.I guess this explains why Archie comics created the darker reinterpretation of those characters with dark circle.Though If they would revive the superhero characters with a tone of Dc and Marvel and be rebranded as Mighty Comics instead of red circlebut give a full reboot as in start over.

You know the superhero characters in Archie comics? Well, They were originally the comic book creations which are superheroes until Archie and his gang gain their popularity during their debut.And was the reason why MLJ was renamed as Archie comics.


The superheroes who are then formed as mighty Crusaders had short term revivals in the secondary  Archie Comics brand called the 'red circle' in the 60's,70's, 80's and the early 90's before being sold to Dc comics to revive them as 'IMPACT comics 'a DC sub-brand.However due to low sales that brand was canceled.DC tries this again by adding the characters into the DC universe but that didn't catch readers attention so they canceled it.


Archie comics gained back their characters from Dc and revive them as New Crusaders in their revived 'red circle'  brand but it was short lived so they cancelled it living a cliffhanger though they made a continuation sometime later as New Crusaders: Dark Tomorrow.


So Archie comics change the red circle into 'Dark Circle' where they make stories about the dark reinterpretation of the Archie superheroes.And you know the rest.




So if Archie Comics decided to revive their superhero brand maybe they should include them in their newly Archie action brand (in case if Sonic is canceled) or rebrand Dark Circle as Red Circle and here how they will do that. By rebooting the characters like valiant during its revival but make the tone be like the current Marvel comics and Dc rebirth.


Have the superheroes be heroic and villains be villains but don't let them include the dark tones like the Dark Circle, Make the tone be like regular superhero comics  Also Give them event story arcs much like most superhero comic books in the industry and that's all I can say.


What do you think?

Wow ! guess  old dog is doing new tricks after all and dan parents is trying out his new artwork on the new series.His original artwork  feels so plastic like what he did with his female characters but this one is new and improved and it's kind of okay. I guess change does work after all.


So i guess Dan is going to make a new series by  returning to the classic archie world in reboot style but with a lighter tone and aimed for all ages since the main series is going towards dark territory as one of the characters will be killed off in the over the edge storyline (possibly reggie)

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on April 12, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
It'll probably be some minor character that no one cares about - maybe even a no-name background character.

yeah,I hope so

Quote from: Tuxedo Mark on April 12, 2017, 12:58:12 PMBut, yeah, comic book deaths don't mean anything - not even in TV and film adaptations. That's why I roll my eyes whenever a reactor cries out a main character's name when s/he's in trouble on screen - as if they're in any real danger.

I know,It was considered a faded comic book trend that won't work

Quote from: Alexandra Cabot on April 08, 2017, 12:01:32 AM
Management are attention whores and think simply having publicity is positive.

But i wonder what happens if they focus less on publicity and more on creativity

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on March 29, 2017, 02:42:22 PM
This is true...But even so, I really hope they don't kill Reggie (or any of the main characters for that matter). Why kill them? What's the point? If  they do end up killing Reggie, will he also die on the Reggie and Me title?  I don't like this reboot Reggie. He is not friends with the gang, he is always alone. It never was that way on the classic Archie comics. He was Archie's frenemy. They hung out together.
If it were up to me, I would have them kill the whole reboot and go back to the old and classic style and stories!

I hope so because using comic book death on the main series is considered a bad idea and is considered a change in tone and i agree reggie is considered a 'frenemy' throughout the archie series killing off is stupid stunt

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 30, 2017, 06:40:12 AMI don't know whether to be mad about it or just laugh at the ridiculous irony. It's just completely wrong-headed. What was once lighthearted teenage comedy hijinks is now supposed to be some angsty dramatic tension, as Jan & Dean's "Won't come back from Dead Man's Curve" plays in the background.

Yeah,I agree and it is considered stupid

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM

Death has become fairly meaningless in comic books, anyway. Who really gets all bent out of shape when Captain America, or Wolverine, or Superman dies these days? It's been "done to death" (how apropos). It's all pretty ho-hum, and nobody feels any gravitas about how meaningful it is. All it really means is that you won't be seeing exactly that version of a character for a while (which is about the same as the cancellation of some character's series). There are uncounted ways to explain it all away as having never really happened, later resurrect the character somehow, or simply reboot him again and start over. Big deal.

You know i agree with you , death is pointless in comics because when you kill off a long running character they are revived sometime later  and then killed off,revived  again and so and so and so on ,Death is meaningless now in comics and is now a cliche ,the only thing that will shock the fans is that they should give a grand finale to the old universe like dc and marvel give a proper final ending and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories , new heroes and new villains with new origins and i have the idea for that unfortunately there are many problems that prevent it from happening  and i know two problems-First The readers are attached to the those long running characters and they don't want want to let go and move on  and second companies use them as 'mascots'

Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 06:14:20 PMThere are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.

Yeah,I agree with you the the 'death' gimmick is pointless since comic book companies don't want to really kill off long running characters and that gimmick is done to 'death' (no pun intended) ,I think it's better that those comic book companies should remove the death gimmick to those long running characters except maybe the minor and forgotten ones and maybe give a final story to the old universe like dc and marvel with a proper closure and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories that might give shock to the readers.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on March 25, 2017, 02:40:40 PM As an interesting side point, Archie Comics was the very first comic book company to have an ongoing character die, way, way back when that was something unheard of, and actually meant something. That would have been The Comet, in PEP COMICS, which led to his brother swearing revenge on the criminals who killed him and becoming The Hangman.

That might be true, too bad it's forgotten to most people.

Quote from: Gotapenname on March 25, 2017, 04:08:38 PMYou like my first theory . That's good cause that makes one of us. I love and miss the messed semi friendship of Archie and Reggie. The fact that this storyline is probably going to be the nail in coffin for that ever happening in the re-boot makes me sad.

yeah,I might agree with you  cause this might lead to a 'jump in the shark' to the reboot series.

Quote from: Gotapenname on March 25, 2017, 04:08:38 PM As for my second theory as Reggie fan. I dislike  this one too of course. I tend make up theories  I don't like due to me being  the glass if half full but there probably going to be drought tomorrow and some is going to steal this glass from me kind of gal.

Yeah,maybe

Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
There are other ways to get readers/attention. Comic book "deaths" are just looked at as cheap now. Like, even if the 'Archie' comic has some sort of amazing storyline that comes from whatever will happen in these issues, right now I'm just looking at it as a lazy way for them to get some headlines and the non-comic book readers to buy the collectible variant covers to try to sell them off because of past stunts by not only Archie Comics but other comic book publishers as well.

Yeah,I agree with you the the 'death' gimmick is pointless since comic book companies don't want to really kill off long running characters and that gimmick is done to 'death' (no pun intended) ,I think it's better that those comic book companies should remove the death gimmick to those long running characters except maybe the minor and forgotten ones and maybe give a final story to the old universe like dc and marvel with a proper closure and have the readers move on to the new dc and marvel universe with new canon stories that might give shock to the readers.

Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AM
What kind of bothers me is that if they do go the route of someone being killed in a street race - Reggie and/or Archie would realistically wind up in court and go to jail for manslaughter.  They can't just go "oh I am so sorry this will affect me forever ;__; " and that'll be the end of that.

I know, I know, comic book logic and Archie Comics waving off issues like this, but, it would bother me.


You know after reading what you said ,I agree with you having someone killed off during the race and have someone wind up in court and in jail will be stupid especially the part where the series will change tone it's kinda stupid.

Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AMAlso someone going to court/jail would bring the whole mood of this series down in my opinion. I would stop reading it. If I wanted drama, I'd watch/read Riverdale :p

Yeah i agree with that as well.

Quote from: CAPalace on March 25, 2017, 08:08:55 AM Hopefully it is a dream or a fake-out death.

Yeah ,I hope so too which will probably won't happen in real life.(our real life that is)

Quote from: Gotapenname on March 24, 2017, 05:07:49 PM
I have two  theories one  is similar to you're first one but instead Archie and Reggie agreeing never to do something like this again. It will probably only be Archie feel any kind of responsibility while Reggie will just pin the whole on Archie. They will hate even more deeply than already do.

or they will have it be Reggie. Everyone in Riverdale will be either like so sad he died young but he was jerk. Archie will wangst about being a killer for few issues until his friends snap him out of it. Then mention it until some else get in danger again.   

You know i kinda like your first theory because this type might increase  Archie and Reggie's rivalry to a new level and will be more aggressive and dramatic  than its original counterpart when it was lighter


As for you second theory i think that will happen but it will be considered cliche and a stupid move killing off a major character which will be canon and it will lead to a new storyarc where he will be depressed.