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Started by daren, May 06, 2016, 04:56:40 am

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daren

May 06, 2016, 04:56:40 am Last Edit: May 06, 2016, 05:06:02 am by daren
A thread for the less gentlemanly side of our titular hero, since everyone else already has their own such threads.








Okay I changed it, I didn't want anything too profane in a thread title. It doesn't express it as well but it'll do.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on May 06, 2016, 04:56:40 am
A thread for the less gentlemanly side of our titular hero, since everyone else already has their own such threads.








Okay I changed it, I didn't want anything too profane in a thread title. It doesn't express it as well but it'll do.


I just read that in B&VDD#243 yesterday. The above panel isn't even showing some particular example of bad behavior for Archie, rather it just typifies one of his defining characteristics. Girl-crazy, a horndog, a roving eye or a wastrel and a cad, whatever you choose to term it. That, and heedless of consequences. Without that particular aspect, he's not really Archie and probably wouldn't have lasted 75 years, despite him not being a role-model you'd hold up as worthy of emulation. Real people can't (usually) get away with that kind of behavior for long, because their actions have consequences, unlike in the cartoon world where everyone will like you no matter what you do, if you have an innocent face and appear to be oblivious and unintentional. In order for the readers to put up with it for 75 years, he only has to be funny.

Original Sin

Archie is a huge jerk in too many stories. This thread is going to be fun. :D

irishmoxie

What was the original title?

Original Sin

Archie and Jug are both finks in this story  ;D





DeCarlo Rules


It does sort of beg the logical question of why Archie didn't just use the tranquilizer spray on Veronica though, doesn't it?

Maybe he's so used to being reduced to a quivering blob of Jello whenever she gets angry at him that he was too rattled to maintain the same calm cool demeanor he had with Big Moose.

Of course the only real answer is that they had to wrap the story up on that page and needed a funny ending, and you're not supposed to be thinking about it that hard (although it's pretty hard NOT to).

daren


daren

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 06, 2016, 10:21:21 am

It does sort of beg the logical question of why Archie didn't just use the tranquilizer spray on Veronica though, doesn't it?

Maybe he's so used to being reduced to a quivering blob of Jello whenever she gets angry at him that he was too rattled to maintain the same calm cool demeanor he had with Big Moose.

Of course the only real answer is that they had to wrap the story up on that page and needed a funny ending, and you're not supposed to be thinking about it that hard (although it's pretty hard NOT to).



Because Veronica would remember what happened after the spray wore off, Moose's memory isn't that reliable and he wouldn't care if Reggie remembers.

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: daren on May 06, 2016, 01:56:08 pm
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 06, 2016, 10:21:21 am

It does sort of beg the logical question of why Archie didn't just use the tranquilizer spray on Veronica though, doesn't it?

Maybe he's so used to being reduced to a quivering blob of Jello whenever she gets angry at him that he was too rattled to maintain the same calm cool demeanor he had with Big Moose.

Of course the only real answer is that they had to wrap the story up on that page and needed a funny ending, and you're not supposed to be thinking about it that hard (although it's pretty hard NOT to).



Because Veronica would remember what happened after the spray wore off, Moose's memory isn't that reliable and he wouldn't care if Reggie remembers.


How do you know what they'd remember or wouldn't, or HOW they'd remember it? Nothing about that is mentioned in the story. For all you know, they might remember being mad, and then all of a sudden not mad, but that doesn't mean they'd get mad about it again. Maybe the experience was pleasant, and they'd want to get tranquilized again. Maybe they'd decide the feeling of being tranquilized is better than the feeling of being mad. Jughead might then go on to become the new drug kingpin of Riverdale, and easily finance a life of gluttonous excess.

OR... you're not supposed to be thinking about it that hard

Thrillho

I liked the original title. It was quite apt.  ;D

I just saw this thread and I'm disappointed I didn't join in the fun sooner.



It shouldn't be too hard to find panels of Archie being a clod.

SAGG

May 23, 2016, 10:18:56 pm #10 Last Edit: May 23, 2016, 10:21:06 pm by SAGG
Quote from: Thrillho on May 23, 2016, 08:53:01 pm
I liked the original title. It was quite apt.  ;D

I just saw this thread and I'm disappointed I didn't join in the fun sooner.



It shouldn't be too hard to find panels of Archie being a clod.


I'd preferred "Wish Goon". And I wondered what Betty would have wished for came true if it had broken her way, like, oh, Archie with a ring and a marriage proposal? :2funny:



SAGG

But, just wondering: Doesn't Betty and Ronica enable Archie to do his dirt by quite frankly overlooking his behavior as they continue to forgive his transgressions? Plus, Ronica cheats as much on Archie as he does her. I've always suspected that Betty would drop any boy she was going with in a New York Second if Archie suddenly asked her to go steady. I think Betty only goes out with other boys because she eventually believes Archie will someday come to his senses and see she's the only girl for him, and then she'll quit them. In the meantime, Betty refuses to be a girl that hopelessly pines for Archie by waiting by the phone while missing out on dating boys. What do you guys think?

DeCarlo Rules

Quote from: SAGG on May 23, 2016, 10:28:34 pm
But, just wondering: Doesn't Betty and Ronica enable Archie to do his dirt by quite frankly overlooking his behavior as they continue to forgive his transgressions? Plus, Ronica cheats as much on Archie as he does her. I've always suspected that Betty would drop any boy she was going with in a New York Second if Archie suddenly asked her to go steady. I think Betty only goes out with other boys because she eventually believes Archie will someday come to his senses and see she's the only girl for him, and then she'll quit them. In the meantime, Betty refuses to be a girl that hopelessly pines for Archie by waiting by the phone while missing out on dating boys. What do you guys think?



There are stories where Archie treats Betty nice, and they have a wonderful time together (unsurprisingly, these stories appear nearly exclusively in Betty's own title). And there are stories where he's oblivious to her, and thoughtless of her feelings. Even worse, the stories where's he purposely cruel. The latter goes all the way back to Bob Montana's newspaper strip, where I was struck by the high incidence of daily gags where Archie says or does purposefully cruel things to Betty.


These are not the same Archie. Or he has some kind of dis-associative personality disorder. Or, each story really just exists as a kind of pocket universe all on its own.

Thrillho

Quote from: SAGG on May 23, 2016, 10:28:34 pm
But, just wondering: Doesn't Betty and Ronica enable Archie to do his dirt by quite frankly overlooking his behavior as they continue to forgive his transgressions? Plus, Ronica cheats as much on Archie as he does her. I've always suspected that Betty would drop any boy she was going with in a New York Second if Archie suddenly asked her to go steady. I think Betty only goes out with other boys because she eventually believes Archie will someday come to his senses and see she's the only girl for him, and then she'll quit them. In the meantime, Betty refuses to be a girl that hopelessly pines for Archie by waiting by the phone while missing out on dating boys. What do you guys think?


I'm a bit more upset by the way he tends to treat Betty. It's played for laughs of course but it's easy to sympathize with her when he sweet talks her into fixing his car and then at the last minute drives off to Veronica's house. It was understandable in early stories since Betty was crazy but now that they've dialed her down from 11 to 2, it's like he's kicking kitten.

Because classic Archie lacks continuity, it's not universal, but Archie tends to be possessive of both Betty and Veronica. Sometimes he has the attitude that they should both be exclusively available to him while he can date whomever he wants. Other times he can be cool about. Modern stories pre-reboot have it so it's an agreement between the three of them that they can date but there is no exclusivity between them. Regardless of that, Archie is usually the one who flakes.

Jughead is more of an enabler than Betty and Veronica since he tries to help Archie get away with his shenanigans. There are also stories where Betty and Veronica (and Cheryl and Valerie) won't put up with it but of course each story is set in its own universe so nothing sticks, and no one ever learns anything.  :D



Chic Cooper

Quote from: daren on May 06, 2016, 01:54:06 pm
Quote from: irishmoxie on May 06, 2016, 09:37:13 am
What was the original title?


censored for the ultra-sensitive


So I can say for probably the first time that A.A. is a complete finkhole in this story.  ;)







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