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  • DeCarlo Rules: ...Marvel's earlier JOHN CARTER, WARLORD OF MARS in there, so the DE Tarzan comics need to go in a different box, and SHEENA (also a recent DE title) and DC's RIMA THE JUNGLE GIRL will help fill up that box.
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  • DeCarlo Rules: Recently. DE's unauthorized LORD OF THE JUNGLE Tarzan adaptations (and its authorized THE GREATEST ADVENTURE) won't fit into my existing box of previous Tarzan comics from Gold Key, DC, and Dark Horse, so I have to start a new box. Logically these get filed with DE's unauthorized WARLORD OF MARS comics (including DEJAH THORIS) and their authorized JOHN CARTER, WARLORD OF MARS. But I also want to squeeze Marve;
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  • DeCarlo Rules: Interesting. I tend not to group titles by publisher at all, if the characters were not created as work-for-hire (meaning the publisher is legally considered the 'author' of the character). Do they belong to that publisher's "universe" (assuming it has one)? There are some publishers like Dynamite Entertainment where the vast majority of the titles they publish are licensed, and thus were "inherited" from other publishers. Therefore it makes more sense to me to group them together in boxes with similar characters. Flash Gordon, The Phantom, and Mandrake comics (regardless of who the actual publisher was) go together in the same box because they're all classic adventure heroes licensed from Hearst Entertainment (formerly King Features Syndicate). Pulp fiction heroes like The Shadow, Doc Savage, and The Spider (regardless of the fact that the latter did not originate with the same publisher as the first two) also get grouped together. Space considerations allowing, Tarzan (and other Edgar Rice Burroughs adaptations) might share the same box with Sheena and Rima, but NOT with Ka-Zar, because he's a Marvel Universe character.
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  • rusty: I do keep all Star Trek series together in their own section and all Star Wars books together.  I also keep all 2000AD titles together and manga books get their own section.  For titles that have switched publishers, I usually keep them all with the publisher that I identify them with the most.  Tarzan has been published by a variety of publishers, but I keep them with Dell/Gold Key.  Conan is starting to get a bit close with all the success Dark Horse has had, but I still identify Conan more with Marvel.
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  • DeCarlo Rules: Believe it or not, I even have a box labeled "Pseudo-manga" that contains comics published by American companies and created by American creators like Astro Boy & Racer X (Now Comics), Battle of the Planets (Gold Key & Top Cow/Image), Captain Harlock (Malibu), Godzilla (Dark Horse) and Ultraman. I just want to keep those separate from the boxes of real translated manga in floppy comic format.
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  • DeCarlo Rules: Well. the problem is when you get titles with licensed characters that aren't owned by the publisher. So if you collect Star Trek comics, you'd have different series published by Gold Key, Marvel, DC, and IDW (and I probably missed one in there). It doesn't make sense to me to put them in different boxes by publisher, but to each his own. Disney comics would be another example. There are even some instances where if I like a certain artist enough, I will put all his work regardless of publisher or characters into one box, like Paul Gulacy, Steve Rude, or Mike Allred (and file them chronologically from older to newer, rather than alphabetically). Those are examples where my interest in the creator far exceeds my relative interest in whatever characters are involved.
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  • rusty: That makes sense.  There are many ways that people can file books.  What I do is file by company or category and then alphabetically within each section.  My first category is Richie Rich then Archie, then other Harvey titles, then Disney, then other humor/kids books, then by company (unless it is a company where I don't have very many books from them.  Star Trek and Star Wars each get their own section as well.  I will probably revamp a bit when I do my next major sort/merge.  The biggest section by far for me is DC.
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  • DeCarlo Rules: I don't even file my comics alphabetically. I file them according to how closely they're related to other titles, but it's all dependent on the number of issues I have of any given title, and what will fit into a single box. Fpr ACP comics I just put all the short-run series (whether an actual miniseries or just a not particularly successful title) into one box. Even though some of those short run series star Jughead, and I could as easily file those together with the main JUGHEAD title in another box. For longer running ACP titles, "girl" titles are sorted into different boxes than "boy" titles. Eventually when I have enough issues of BETTY (and BETTY AND ME and BETTY'S DIARY) they'll get their own box, and VERONICA will get her own box.
    June 10, 2018, 09:49:06 AM
  • rusty: I file Jughead under J and Reggie under R in all of their incarnations, though I do file the original Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen books under S since that keeps them with the Superman books and also because they kept that title throughout their entire run.  If anyone wants to look up Jughead or Reggie in Overstreet, though, they will have to look under A for the early issues.
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  • BettyReggie: I can't wait to get that Reggie book. It's coming out the day after my 39th Birthday.
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  • DeCarlo Rules: Yeah, I never understood why publishers felt the need to point that out on the covers of a comic book, like maybe someone didn't really know who REGGIE was, and might buy it just because they noticed the words "Archie's Rival" above the big letters that spelled REGGIE? Same with "Archie's Pal" or "Superman's Pal" or "Superman's Girl Friend" -- like some potential buyer wouldn't know who Jughead, Jimmy Olsen, or Lois Lane was, but would know who Archie or Superman was? Just assume you're selling the product to idiots, I guess. Is anyone really filing REGGIE under "A" for Archie's Pal in their collections??
    June 10, 2018, 05:42:02 AM
  • rusty: In it's first incarnation, Reggie was titled ARCHIE'S RIVAL, REGGIE.  It wasn't until after the title was resurrected nearly a decade later that it became REGGIE and then REGGIE AND ME.
    June 09, 2018, 10:23:13 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: I've never understood why those old titles had "and Me" in them, anyway. Why not just name the titles after the starring characters?
    June 09, 2018, 08:17:45 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Funny that the trade paperback collection is entitled REGGIE AND ME Vol. 1, when his floppy comic book series was actually titled just plain REGGIE for the first 18 issues (and going on hiatus for nine years in between issues #14 and 15). Since it's only a 224-page book, that should mean we'll be seeing reprints of stories from the first 9 (or maybe 10) issues. So shouldn't it be titled REGGIE Vol. 1? Unless they actually do plan to start the first volume with issue #19 from 1966 (the first classic Evilheart issue) where the title actually changed to REGGIE AND ME. My theory is that the ME in that title = Evilheart, unlike the prior titles ARCHIE AND ME (where ME = Mr. Weatherbee), or BETTY AND ME (where the ME = Archie).
    June 09, 2018, 12:59:59 PM


Author Topic: Why I prefer the new Jughead title over the new Archie Title  (Read 9192 times)

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Why I prefer the new Jughead title over the new Archie Title
« on: April 08, 2016, 11:23:41 AM »
It's been said over and over - Erica Henderson is a terrible artist. For the record, I really don't like her style at all, but I don't think it's terrible. I hate to say this, but it's not really any worse than some of Stan G's later work. Erica's just not a good fit for Archie. She should be working on some underground independent title without any established history.


Anyhow, to my point, the writing on Jughead reminds me a lot of classic Jughead. Classic Jughead found himself in a lot of surreal fantasy situations, as he is now. Chip's take on the character is basically rooted in tradition, and I imagine if Rex Lindsey or Frenando Ruiz was illustrating this title instead of Erica, people would like it a lot.


On the other hand, I find Archie's book moving along way too slowly. I don't really find the characters are being developed much. Can you imagine people reading this without any previous knowledge of Archie whatsoever? We're seven isues in (about 150 pages!) and what's happened? Not much. It's not fun or funny. It's not entertaining. The art is prettier than that on Jughead, but to me it's just the lesser of two evils.


Of course, this is all personal opinion. I'm not right or wrong, it's just my take on things. Would anyone else care to share their take on things?

JonInIowaCity

I like her work on Jughead and Squirrel Girl, but I can understand why others don't.

And I'm a huge fan of what Chip's doing with the storytelling on this book. I agree 100% with your assessment of what makes this book's storytelling well down.

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I certainly have liked the art better in the Archie reboot to date over the Jughead book. Both of the series haven't been all that great for me so far. I agree with HarryLuceyfan that the Jughead reboot has been going back to some of it's earlier roots with the dream sequences and fantasy stuff which is fine, but I would like to see some more of the sillier thing that Jughead does. We haven't see Ethel chase him around or even a glimpse of Trula his arch nemesis which in the classic stories made for some of the best stuff in my opinion. Those stories need to be introduced.

As for the Archie story it certainly is not as funny as the classic story lines, but I was kind of expecting that since it seems like ACP is trying to focus this reboot on a different age demographic and maybe leaning towards a different story. I also agree it is moving way too slow.

I like her work on Jughead and Squirrel Girl, but I can understand why others don't.

Erica's work is, for the lack of a better word, ugly. We all know that the girls of Archie have always been stereotypically attractive. It's probably drawn in a lot of readers in the past. I believe that Erica's artwork would be more appreciated on something like Afterlife With Archie- ugly art reflecting an ugly world.

I used to be a huge Adam Hughes fan when he first started out at DC. I thought at the time he was an amazing pin-up girl artist. I'm only somewhat interested in seeing what he'll be doing on Betty and Veronica.

DeCarlo Rules


Anyhow, to my point, the writing on Jughead reminds me a lot of classic Jughead. Classic Jughead found himself in a lot of surreal fantasy situations, as he is now. Chip's take on the character is basically rooted in tradition, and I imagine if Rex Lindsey or Frenando Ruiz was illustrating this title instead of Erica, people would like it a lot.
On the other hand, I find Archie's book moving along way too slowly. I don't really find the characters are being developed much. Can you imagine people reading this without any previous knowledge of Archie whatsoever? We're seven isues in (about 150 pages!) and what's happened? Not much. It's not fun or funny. It's not entertaining. The art is prettier than that on Jughead, but to me it's just the lesser of two evils.
Well, I'm glad someone besides me recognized this. Took the words right outta my mouth.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 02:13:26 PM by DeCarlo Rules »

DeCarlo Rules

I used to be a huge Adam Hughes fan when he first started out at DC. I thought at the time he was an amazing pin-up girl artist. I'm only somewhat interested in seeing what he'll be doing on Betty and Veronica.


I'm still an Adam Hughes fan... just not for B&V. Nail on the head, HLF, nail on the head.

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I used to be a huge Adam Hughes fan when he first started out at DC. I thought at the time he was an amazing pin-up girl artist. I'm only somewhat interested in seeing what he'll be doing on Betty and Veronica.


I'm still an Adam Hughes fan... just not for B&V. Nail on the head, HLF, nail on the head.
I honestly have to say out of the rebooted series Betty and Veronica is the one I am most looking forward to. Now does that mean I'll be waiting in line for issue #1 in a midnight release at the comic store(if they had such a thing).......NO. I have enjoyed Adam Hughes representation in the past of both Betty and Veronica and I am kind of intrigued to see where he is going to go with it in this new series. I also want to see how he is as a writer because prior to this I had no idea he was a writer.

BettyReggie

I talk to Adam through Twitter, he is cool. He says the border picture on his page maybe the cover for Betty & Veronica #1. I really hope they 22 covers like the Archie reboot. They will because those girls are important.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2016, 07:05:56 PM by BettyReggie »

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I talk to Adam through Twitter, he is cool. He says the border picture on his page maybe the cover for Betty & Veronica #1. I really hope they 22 covers like the Archie reboot. They will because those girls are important.
They will definitely have several variant covers for the Betty and Veronica #1 that is for usre. I think it will be more like what they did with the Jughead #1 reboot though.

I'm curious to see Adam Hughes' interpretations of Jughead and Archie...

Great Gazoo

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I'm curious to see Adam Hughes' interpretations of Jughead and Archie...
That should be interesting. We know he draws females very well, but males we don't have much to go by. I also really want to know what his writing style is like. Does anyone know of anything that he has wrote comic book wise in the past?

Hughes' Betty and Henderson's Betty will NEVER be identified as the same character in side-by-side comparisons. This is a prediction I feel pretty confident about  :)

Great Gazoo

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Erica Henderson

Adam Hughes


Mr.Lodge

Difference between a drag queen and a real woman  ::)
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Great Gazoo

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Just the Adam Hughes Eyes, Nose, and hair are so superior to what Erica Henderson did to Betty. And that is just the obvious eye sores.

 


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