Don't try to answer my question with another question. It's a simple question. Do humans have the intelligence to comprehend god or don't they? Make up your mind.

In other words, if human intelligence and reasoning has no bearing on apprehending god, then why are we even talking about it? You can no more discover the answer to the question of whether god exists then you can decide on a whim to expand your thinking ability by 1000%.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 25, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
Don't try to answer my question with another question. It's a simple question. Do humans have the intelligence to comprehend god or don't they? Make up your mind.

and that is already explained. that your father used to exited before your birth. so no saying that there was no father before your birth and you are dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother. that is not possible.

so kindly tell us the process by which we understand this thing that who is our real father. cuz you never seen your father before your birth. so would you will accept anyone else as your real father ? OR what is the process by which we understand this thing that who is our real father ?

tell us the process.

Yeah, I notice you don't have any real answers either. I guess that makes us even.

If you weren't there when it happened or you don't remember it happening, then you don't know any more than anyone else.

It's all speculation, which makes my guesses as good as yours. Belief and truth aren't the same, but there's more than one of each.

Your father analogy is flawed because it's based on an assumed anthropocentic viewpoint. Who is the father? Stars... that's where most elements are formed, in the heart of nuclear reactors. Then how are stars born? There are several theories, but none definitive, so no one knows[/b. Not unlike theories of creators, in fact -- exactly the same. We have some ideas, just like we have some intelligence, but we don't know everything, and we admit we don't know everything. Believers who believe can claim to know more, but I would require proof, not questions and analogies to back up claims that your belief is authoritative.

You claim answers to questions for which no proof is available. Challenges that attempt to point out someone's ignorance are worthless, because we're aware of not knowing the answers to questions. Proving a lack of knowledge proves nothing in contrast to that lack of knowledge. Theories are just theories, no matter how convinced someone is of them. If it works for you then fine, be happy in your own beliefs. You don't need to harass anyone else with the presumed superiority of your belief system.

naaee---Answer this: Where do Roller Skates fit into your beliefs?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 26, 2017, 01:39:27 AM
Yeah, I notice you don't have any real answers either. I guess that makes us even.

If you weren't there when it happened or you don't remember it happening, then you don't know any more than anyone else.

It's all speculation, which makes my guesses as good as yours. Belief and truth aren't the same, but there's more than one of each.

Your father analogy is flawed because it's based on an assumed anthropocentic viewpoint. Who is the father? Stars... that's where most elements are formed, in the heart of nuclear reactors. Then how are stars born? There are several theories, but none definitive, so no one knows[/b. Not unlike theories of creators, in fact -- exactly the same. We have some ideas, just like we have some intelligence, but we don't know everything, and we admit we don't know everything. Believers who believe can claim to know more, but I would require proof, not questions and analogies to back up claims that your belief is authoritative.

You claim answers to questions for which no proof is available. Challenges that attempt to point out someone's ignorance are worthless, because we're aware of not knowing the answers to questions. Proving a lack of knowledge proves nothing in contrast to that lack of knowledge. Theories are just theories, no matter how convinced someone is of them. If it works for you then fine, be happy in your own beliefs. You don't need to harass anyone else with the presumed superiority of your belief system.

and what is that flaw ( nonsense idiot ) ? that there was no father before your birth ?( just see the fun ) is that is what which makes sense to you ? then you are idiot. you are nothing but an hypocrite idiot than. that is it.

and no saying that there is no proof that there is no father before your birth. and you were dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother. that is not possible. ( rascal idiot )

Quote from: Captain Jetpack on May 26, 2017, 07:01:49 AM
naaee---Answer this: Where do Roller Skates fit into your beliefs?

`1st of all tell us that thing which is based on faith or belief within this practical explanation. point that faith or belief out. ( for i openly challenge you )

and no saying that it is an bogus belief only that there was father before your birth. it is an solid fact that there was father before your birth. and you are not dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother. ( nonsense idiot )

Quote from: naaee on May 26, 2017, 12:04:40 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 26, 2017, 01:39:27 AM
Yeah, I notice you don't have any real answers either. I guess that makes us even.

If you weren't there when it happened or you don't remember it happening, then you don't know any more than anyone else.

It's all speculation, which makes my guesses as good as yours. Belief and truth aren't the same, but there's more than one of each.

Your father analogy is flawed because it's based on an assumed anthropocentic viewpoint. Who is the father? Stars... that's where most elements are formed, in the heart of nuclear reactors. Then how are stars born? There are several theories, but none definitive, so no one knows[/b. Not unlike theories of creators, in fact -- exactly the same. We have some ideas, just like we have some intelligence, but we don't know everything, and we admit we don't know everything. Believers who believe can claim to know more, but I would require proof, not questions and analogies to back up claims that your belief is authoritative.

You claim answers to questions for which no proof is available. Challenges that attempt to point out someone's ignorance are worthless, because we're aware of not knowing the answers to questions. Proving a lack of knowledge proves nothing in contrast to that lack of knowledge. Theories are just theories, no matter how convinced someone is of them. If it works for you then fine, be happy in your own beliefs. You don't need to harass anyone else with the presumed superiority of your belief system.

and what is that flaw ( nonsense idiot ) ? that there was no father before your birth ?( just see the fun ) is that is what which makes sense to you ? then you are idiot. you are nothing but an hypocrite idiot than. that is it.

and no saying that there is no proof that there is no father before your birth. and you were dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother. that is not possible. ( rascal idiot )

You appear to be a very angry and arrogant person, naaee.

Certainly asexual reproduction is possible. It's called parthenogenesis -- you can look it up. That doesn't address the basic question of how you know what you think you know, if you have no direct memory or sensory experience of it, though.

Assuming for a moment, just for the sake of discussion, a created universe with a creator, how can you know whether the universe came into existence one trillion years ago, or one second ago, created exactly as it exists right now? You can't. We can accept the fact that there are things that we don't know as proven, and that there are things that we will probably never know or understand. Some people believe that indicates the existence of a creator who is so omnipotent and omniscient that its nature will always surpass our understanding. But it really isn't necessary to invoke a theoretical creator to simply admit that there are things that surpass our understanding, and some things that probably always will.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 27, 2017, 12:01:47 AM

Quote from: naaee on May 26, 2017, 12:04:40 PM

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on May 26, 2017, 01:39:27 AM
Yeah, I notice you don't have any real answers either. I guess that makes us even.

If you weren't there when it happened or you don't remember it happening, then you don't know any more than anyone else.

It's all speculation, which makes my guesses as good as yours. Belief and truth aren't the same, but there's more than one of each.

Your father analogy is flawed because it's based on an assumed anthropocentic viewpoint. Who is the father? Stars... that's where most elements are formed, in the heart of nuclear reactors. Then how are stars born? There are several theories, but none definitive, so no one knows[/b. Not unlike theories of creators, in fact -- exactly the same. We have some ideas, just like we have some intelligence, but we don't know everything, and we admit we don't know everything. Believers who believe can claim to know more, but I would require proof, not questions and analogies to back up claims that your belief is authoritative.

You claim answers to questions for which no proof is available. Challenges that attempt to point out someone's ignorance are worthless, because we're aware of not knowing the answers to questions. Proving a lack of knowledge proves nothing in contrast to that lack of knowledge. Theories are just theories, no matter how convinced someone is of them. If it works for you then fine, be happy in your own beliefs. You don't need to harass anyone else with the presumed superiority of your belief system.

and what is that flaw ( nonsense idiot ) ? that there was no father before your birth ?( just see the fun ) is that is what which makes sense to you ? then you are idiot. you are nothing but an hypocrite idiot than. that is it.

and no saying that there is no proof that there is no father before your birth. and you were dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother. that is not possible. ( rascal idiot )

You appear to be a very angry and arrogant person, naaee.

Certainly asexual reproduction is possible. It's called parthenogenesis -- you can look it up. That doesn't address the basic question of how you know what you think you know, if you have no direct memory or sensory experience of it, though.

Assuming for a moment, just for the sake of discussion, a created universe with a creator, how can you know whether the universe came into existence one trillion years ago, or one second ago, created exactly as it exists right now? You can't. We can accept the fact that there are things that we don't know as proven, and that there are things that we will probably never know or understand. Some people believe that indicates the existence of a creator who is so omnipotent and omniscient that its nature will always surpass our understanding. But it really isn't necessary to invoke a theoretical creator to simply admit that there are things that surpass our understanding, and some things that probably always will.

and weather there is any connection or not you can understand it for it is already explained. but you deny that there is any father before your birth. you are that intelligent idiot. for you are the dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother.

so what is meaning in beating that horse ? who is already dead. ( simply waste of time )

Hi naaee.  Welcome to the boards.   


I'm curious why you chose an Archie and comics related forum to start this topic?  Do you have any interest in Archie or comics in general? 


Having a discussion about theology or belief systems can be interesting and informative, but from my perspective your thread is here simply to state your own beliefs, oppose anyone who questions or makes a contradictory comment while you provide no substantive reasons to support your own position.  Oh, and I'm assuming phrases such as "nonsense idiot" and "rascal idiot" are condemnations toward the person and/or comments to which you are replying.  When not done in a tongue in cheek or playful manner, that can be a bit off putting to some.

Quote from: Captain Jetpack on May 26, 2017, 07:01:49 AM
naaee---Answer this: Where do Roller Skates fit into your beliefs?

Quote from: naaee on May 27, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
( simply waste of time )
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FINALLY, you get it. Stop wasting our time with this nonsense.

Quote from: naaee on May 27, 2017, 12:30:02 AM
but you deny that there is any father before your birth. you are that intelligent idiot. for you are the dropped from the sky into the womb of your mother.

so what is meaning in beating that horse ? who is already dead. ( simply waste of time )

Yes, it's a waste of time because your "father" analogy to god is ridiculous. Why not a "mother" god? A father can't give birth to anything without a mother. IF you insist on an analogy to sexual reproduction as a means of "birthing" a creation. But as I already pointed out, parthenogenic birth is known to exist in some female species, so there could be a mother to give birth without a father. But NOT the other way around -- no male of any species has ever given spontaneous birth -- it's impossible, as you're so fond of saying.

But all of this ignores the real fundamental fact of physics -- that matter cannot be created out of nothingness. Neither matter nor energy can be created nor destroyed, each can only change form from one to the other. Creation also assumes causality, which doesn't even exist apart from time -- there can be no time apart from spacetime -- they're indivisible and interdependent. The universe IS spacetime. Therefore there can be no "before" time & space existed, no PRE-created time, because without time there can be no "cause" (god) to have an "effect" (creation) -- causality is dependent on the preexistence of time, and therefore, of space. Ergo, the universe has always existed, in one form or another, even if impossibly compressed into a single dimensionless point of near-infinite mass or near-infinite energy.

Now, let's talk about the quantum entanglement effect and Schrödinger's Cat... 

And if not believing in a "father" god makes me an idiot, then what kind of idiot does that make you for believing in a god who has no "father" himself? Oh, I guess he just "dropped from the sky"...

I could go on pointing out your logical fallacies all day long.

naaee---if we were to fit you out with aluminum foil underoos, and hook up wires, we would be able to administer electric charges to your ho-hos in no time flat.
This is called aversion therapy--it could work wonders for your personality.