It was no one's fault the old forum died, but losing eleven years of threads makes the new forum feel second best. It is 2006 all over again, except without the unity, innocence and optimism.

I haven't seen the Lego movies, but everyone loves them.

Hi. I remember some of your posts. I've been visiting this forum off and on ever since it started eleven years ago. (I even remember an earlier forum.)

Does Lego have an Archie line?

If you like shows like Gossip Girl and Pretty Little Liars (I don't), you'll probably enjoy it more than I did, though I have other reasons.



I don't think I am about to reveal spoilers, but don't read this if you don't want to know anything at all about Jughead's love life (not that I wanted to either. Ever.)

The worst thing about Riverdale that those other shows aren't guilty of, is its own broken promises. It sells itself as being like Brick or even a teen Twin Peaks, but is high school melodrama. It previews a pilot scene of Betty and Veronica kissing to lure in shippers, then says they'll only be friends. Boasts about its interracial casting, but gives the best parts to Archie, Betty and Jughead, promotes Kevin and Cheryl above Reggie and warps Josie and Chuck. Says it keeps the characters at core the same as the comics, which is only true if you count the fact that they are all still the same species. They set up a big romance for Jughead in the first season but (as spin control at the last minute) promise he'll be asexual. Some say the show needs time to deliver all this, which is silly. If the show sells itself as artistic and diverse, it needs to establish those things in the first season. I think the very low ratings from last week will rise somewhat, but I'm not surprised it is dipping. People are being told to expect one thing and getting something very different.


If you ignore that mess and only watch the show itself as a genre fan, you might like it.

I see that a lot. It is hard to keep track of every anachronism when writing dialogue, but with Wikipedia double checking should be easy.


I think the fact that kids don't have a strong sense of history would be good for a retro show. Even a fairy tale like The Princess and the Frog that was set more recently in the 1920s was loved by kids. For a comedy romance like Princess or Archie, a past setting adds color. Maybe for Batman or other superhero stories, it's not as good because it makes the crime fighting seem too low tech for some fans.

It's better to get a cautious 60s setting than none, I guess. I wonder how reliable DC/Warner's research is, if they've decided kids will only like current settings. Kids love Disney fairy tales set in ancient times, and they loved some shows set in the 1800s; I think they would love a Kennedy era Archie if it was funny, colorful and embraced its differences, with some fantasy elements like Dilton's inventions or Sabrina's witchcraft.

I would love to see a Dan DeCarlo style animated Archie movie or even TV show. It should be set in the early 60s.

Whether they used animation or not, I would want them to do a period piece that was set either in the 40s, 50s, 60s or early to mid 70s, the years when Archie was popular and each decade had its own distinct culture. Everyone would be dressed in period fashions and there would be a strong girls vs. boys theme. If I could wish for anything.

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 24, 2017, 12:32:51 AM
Voice actors. If there's an Archie movie, it should be an animated movie. Traditional cel animation, not CGI.

You mean like Disney, or like anime?

They are hoping to do movies. If that happened, do you think they will use these actors? I don't think so. The Flash movie is using different actors from the show. Movies only use the tv cast when the show is either a very big hit, or an original creation that was not part of an old property like Archie. What kind of actors would you want them to use? More traditional, or more diverse?

The new Reggie and Me has too much Midge. She is the most boring Archie character. The new wrinkles they try to add for her are too hard to believe. Betty and Veronica have both been much nicer to Reggie than Midge ever was, but this series says she's the only one who was ever nice to him. I do not believe in changed premises just for their own sake, even in new timelines. They have to win me over with smart approach that make it worth changing. A talking dog does not qualify.

QuoteThe sales of the main title can possibly be kept around their current level, especially if they get another hot artist on the book.

You said it yourself.The sales are falling quickly. In another thread the numbers were posted: Archie at 11,000 now. Hiring a hot artist this late wouldn't bring in enough sales to make up for the money they would have to pay them. Without a miracle, the reboots will all get cancelled by next year.


I wish the people who think Archie can slip out of this would say why. With the reboots and digests failing, how will Archie make money unless it's sold off to Warner brothers or some other big company? I wish they had done that before they decided to make the tv show. Real fans would have accepted Archie's reduced circumstances and been content with a small stream of quality new stories. They didn't need Archie to be a top selling reboot or hit tv show. Most of the people raving about those things now will get bored of Archie fast once the show ends, or earlier if it runs too long, and move on to something else. Archie will be left a discarded husk, unless the old fans can overlook the damage. I hope they can, but I would not blame them if they can't.

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I dunno... it'll be sad to see them go.

The best way to make sure fans won't be sad to see you go is to start sucking hard and keep getting worse till they want you out of your misery. That's one thing to be glad for.

Quotethough they've been like cockroaches

Oh, I'll stop. 

Quote(in the break-up story, they're seen high-fiving each other when Jug & Joani realize they won't see each other again).

Stand-ins for the readers.

They each have their own timeline. Things happen in each book that can't be happening in the other books, like Jughead fighting his new principal and Pops losing his shop. Some people think they have the same timeline just because they are all reboots, but they don't. I have not seen any signs of crossing over between them.