If The Rock doesn't voice anyone there is no point in a fancast.
I'm putting my vote in for him to voice A N Y O N E
wait omg Guy Fieri as Reggie
I'm putting my vote in for him to voice A N Y O N E
wait omg Guy Fieri as Reggie
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Show posts MenuQuote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 01:28:39 AMQuote from: Acejughead on January 12, 2017, 01:11:35 AM
I don't have to prove anything to you. I am not the writer of Jughead, I can't get him to make some panel where Jughead looks straight at us and goes "OH BTW I'm asexual". Please stop trying to back me into a corner about how Jughead is being portrayed. The asexuality is being handled really well in the comic and I'm sorry that isn't enough for you.
True you don't, and you're not. So you don't need to feel sorry that the actual writer didn't do enough for me personally.
Why do you feel like this is about you?
Quote from: Thestereotypebuster on January 12, 2017, 12:59:45 AMYes, thank you! This isn't like when J.K. Rowling was like "oh btw Dumbledore was totally gay, see I had representation in Harry Potter"Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 12, 2017, 12:28:51 AMI think that's kind of the point. He HASN'T been changed as far as characterization. All that's changed is the terminology. And he's the rest of that page, where Jughead confirms Kevin's assessment:Quote from: Acejughead on January 11, 2017, 10:36:02 PM
IT'S SAID IN-COMIC AND BY THE AUTHOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT FROM THEM
I want to hear it coming from Jughead himself. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask, for the author to take what he's saying on the internet and put those words into Jughead's dialogue. I've read the comics, and it doesn't matter what Kevin decides to label Jughead, only what Jughead labels himself. Kevin can speak for himself, but not for Jughead.
You shouldn't have to read what the author says on the internet to interpret what's in the comic (that's a DVD extra 'commentary' track). It's entirely possible (even more than possible if you're not keeping up with the internet buzz) to read what Jughead himself says or doesn't say in NRJ as not particularly different from a lot of the classic Jughead stories. Maybe ACP feels that in an all-ages comic it can't be as overt as that, but I don't see what the big deal is. Just show me where he refers to or identifies himself as asexual, that's all. If you want to make a definite statement about something, then just have the character say it out loud, instead of implying it, or having the author explain what he meant, outside of the context of the story. Otherwise it isn't a strong statement of an idea; it's not conclusive.
I guess maybe I have to state in no uncertain terms that what I'm criticizing here isn't some issue of whether Jughead is or isn't asexual, I'm criticizing the writing itself. The story should speak for itself so that the author has to add no out-of-context commentary.
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 11:33:57 PMQuote from: Acejughead on January 11, 2017, 10:36:02 PMUmm, you're right on all counts.Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:26:48 PM'Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 10:15:44 PMNot in the least. Adults are not the be all end all in opinions imo, just that I'd take a high school kids opinion with a grain or two of salt is all I'm saying.Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:01:04 PMI honest to god have no clue what you meant by the rest of that but are you saying that you'll only accept Jug being asexual if an adult points it out? I cannot think of a context where that wouldn't be either weird, creepy, or both.
There's no more reliable critic of a 16 year old than another 16 year old.
IT'S SAID IN-COMIC AND BY THE AUTHOR I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU WANT FROM THEM
You get it said by the people controlling all the characters.
They even write it in and then have the chainracter consistently act in ways that confirm his asexuality.
What are you trying to get me to say? Congratulations for not trusting children??
Consistently from creators like Montana, Doyle, Boldman, etc. is out the window? Where did I imply I don't trust children?
Should I leap for joy over a cartoon characters sexuality? I barely care about my own. Maybe there's a name for that, and someone should incorporate that into my custom title.
I should start posting in all caps, maybe. Because.
I forgot the apostrophe in "characters".
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:26:48 PM'Quote from: apple on January 11, 2017, 10:15:44 PMNot in the least. Adults are not the be all end all in opinions imo, just that I'd take a high school kids opinion with a grain or two of salt is all I'm saying.Quote from: steveinthecity on January 11, 2017, 10:01:04 PMI honest to god have no clue what you meant by the rest of that but are you saying that you'll only accept Jug being asexual if an adult points it out? I cannot think of a context where that wouldn't be either weird, creepy, or both.
There's no more reliable critic of a 16 year old than another 16 year old.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 11, 2017, 12:07:44 PMQuote from: Acejughead on January 11, 2017, 01:19:44 AMQuote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 11:06:26 PMQuote from: Acejughead on January 10, 2017, 08:52:15 PMQuote from: steveinthecity on January 10, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
Why does "asexual" even matter? He's a 16 year old goofy kid. Draw some "X's" on his hand. He's probably straight edge, too.
It, uh, may not matter to you, but it matters to me. There isn't much asexual representation, so it's really encouraging to see characters with my orientation being accepted by the people around them, along with so many Jughead readers.
It shows people like me that being asexual isn't weird or wrong, that we shouldn't sacrifice who we are to find acceptance.
Also I'm not quite sure what you meant by drawing "X's" on his hand???
Jughead has always been weird. That's what's kept him interesting all these years. Now granted, he's a comic book character, so in a sense he'll always be eternally sixteen. But at sixteen, it's a little soon to start labeling people as this or that, because a lot of things can change between sixteen and adulthood. Just because he's a certain way at sixteen doesn't mean he'll never ever change.
Sorry, to clarify: Jughead is wonderfully weird, I meant that it is not his asexuality that makes him weird.
Regardless of the age it is suitable to "label" someone, Jughead is a fictional character. His identity is whatever his author decides it should be. So Jughead, in this iteration at the very least, is definitely asexual, and always will be - because Zdarsky and North have labeled him as such. So there's not much point in pointing out his age, because a sixteen year old was not the one who decided his orientation.
Well, the writer can think whatever he wants, but I wonder what's the point of blabbing that he's asexual all over the internet, if he isn't going to put the words into Jughead's mouth? And though the writer may be Jughead's "voice" currently, NOBODY wants to be labeled, unless it's a self-declarative statement of identity. But so far, I've seen no such thing in the comics.
Not only has Jughead not declared himself "asexual and proud" (or whatever) to his friends, but as readers we haven't even been given a peek into his private thoughts that indicates that this is the way he thinks of himself. Because that's the only thing that's important here with these labels -- the ones people decide to stick on themselves (even fictional characters) as some sort of statement of intent. He may not be displaying any interest in sex or romance now, but he hasn't exactly issued any manifestos stating that he never ever will be interested in those things, or that his mind is made up and unchangeable. I mean, isn't that the whole point of these labels? "Gay", "Straight", "Bi", "Asexual"... It's like a permanent condition, it's not something you do for a while before you change your mind and switch labels to something different. I say permanent, but with asexuality it's how everyone starts as an infant. It's pretty hard to say that someone is asexual, unless that's what they declare themselves to be, because ALL of us at one time lived through a time of our lives when we weren't interested in sex or romance, but it's a extremely variable phase for each individual, so someone who isn't interested in those things at 12 could be at 15, and someone else might not be interested at 16 and could be at 19. So the only way asexual is going to apply to Jughead is if it's a conscious choice of Jughead's that he has decided to label himself as identifying that way. I've seen a lot about what he thinks of hamburgers, but nothing about that.
Without that, all we've got for concrete evidence is "Oh, didn't you hear? The new writer of Jughead definitely says he's writing him as asexual", which seems like a pretty wishy-washy commitment to an idea to me.
Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on January 10, 2017, 11:06:26 PMQuote from: Acejughead on January 10, 2017, 08:52:15 PMQuote from: steveinthecity on January 10, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
Why does "asexual" even matter? He's a 16 year old goofy kid. Draw some "X's" on his hand. He's probably straight edge, too.
It, uh, may not matter to you, but it matters to me. There isn't much asexual representation, so it's really encouraging to see characters with my orientation being accepted by the people around them, along with so many Jughead readers.
It shows people like me that being asexual isn't weird or wrong, that we shouldn't sacrifice who we are to find acceptance.
Also I'm not quite sure what you meant by drawing "X's" on his hand???
Jughead has always been weird. That's what's kept him interesting all these years. Now granted, he's a comic book character, so in a sense he'll always be eternally sixteen. But at sixteen, it's a little soon to start labeling people as this or that, because a lot of things can change between sixteen and adulthood. Just because he's a certain way at sixteen doesn't mean he'll never ever change.
Quote from: steveinthecity on January 10, 2017, 05:58:58 PM
Why does "asexual" even matter? He's a 16 year old goofy kid. Draw some "X's" on his hand. He's probably straight edge, too.
Quote from: gillibean on January 07, 2017, 11:46:52 PM
Crap... I hope they don't try to throw Sabrina into Riverdale...
Quote from: spatzi on January 06, 2017, 09:38:51 PM
I really appreciate what Archie Comics has done recently in terms of representation. And I hope they do more going forward. Like perhaps Reggie Mantle being bi.