Quote from: Vegan Jughead on February 19, 2017, 10:04:31 AM

Quote from: Smurf on February 18, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
I would love a dollar for every time I heard that Archie comics was on its way out. The last time I checked they are still here and selling comics. I may not like the people running the company, but the bottom line is they re the ones running it and all I can do as a fan is either not read the comics or get enjoyment out of what they do distribute.

PREACH!

Archie Comics has been around for what? Almost 80 years?  "If you don't like the comics, don't read them" seems a pretty shallow view point when they went from one of the biggest publishers of comics in the world to a skeleton crew constantly blowing deadlines and canceling comics under current management.  If this company was public, everyone running it would have been sent out the door already.

Quote from: Smurf on February 18, 2017, 08:35:44 PM
I would love a dollar for every time I heard that Archie comics was on its way out. The last time I checked they are still here and selling comics. I may not like the people running the company, but the bottom line is they re the ones running it and all I can do as a fan is either not read the comics or get enjoyment out of what they do distribute.

It's not about liking what they're doing.  This is an observation on how well they are doing.  Over the past seven years, the company has been rapidly shrinking and on a clear downward trajectory.  So the question is I guess is how can they keep this company alive when their core product keeps failing and momentary gains are wiped out in a short period?  I guess now they are receiving some kind of corporate welfare from Marvel.  Maybe that will be enough who knows, but I was pretty sure Sonic the Hedgehog was a very important part of their business model before this.

Quote from: Upsiditus on February 15, 2017, 08:41:40 PM

What's the benefit financially or creatively "destroying ACP"?  Wondering where your thoughts are on this point.



  The ideas that Archie Comics are "boring" and "one-dimensional" seem to be floating around the set of the Riverdale Show.  One of the basic premises of philosophy is that if you start with false premises, you usually get erroneous conclusions. 
    Archie Comics seem to be doing terribly financially at the moment.  I don't understand that.  Personally I think they are 10 times more interesting than all Superhero comics put together.   Clearly Archie Comics were extremely popular in 1970 (that must have been about the peak of their success.  They were certainly very successful throughout the 1946-1970.  What has caused the decline?  Bart Beaty claims bigotry accounts for this, but I strongly disagree.  I don't see any evidence that Archie Comics were more bigoted than their competitors. 
     If Archie Comics were to be discontinued it would certainly be the end of an era.  I would certainly be unhappy to see it go, but I would move on with my life.  My 2nd favorite comics, by a substantial margin, Calvin & Hobbes,  stopped being produced back in 1995.  I got over it. 
     Calvin & Hobbes should have continued.  If Watterson didn't want to continue writing, he should have let someone else do it, but I'm sure he never seriously considered that.  It would have been very interesting to see how Calvin would handle the technological advances since 1995.   
      I don't see how Archie writers could ever run out of ideas.  Stories just about new technology alone should keep them busy. 
       If the show is successful, I think Archie Comics continue.  If the show fails, things could get very ugly.

Asking what the benefit of running your company out of business is a rhetorical question.  Doesn't mean that's not occurring due to incompetence or people placing stupid wishes or agendas above profit.  I mean look what happened to Yahoo.  The company is pretty much going out of business because of the actions of CEO Marissa Mayer.  Now if you asked her if she tried running the corporation out of business on purpose, she's going to say no, but her idiotic management style definitely lead to that conclusion  pretty much due to her tenure.

Quote from: steveinthecity on February 15, 2017, 12:13:26 AM
What's the benefit financially or creatively "destroying ACP"?  Wondering where your thoughts are on this point.

Does it matter what the rationale is if the outcome is the same?  But I think this is the result of a current trend of creative people who get in control of media franchises with a leftist political mindset.  They see an old timey set-up like Archie Comics where the biggest problem is who is going to prom with Archie in a town like Riverdale where nothing bad happens, bascially Americana if we want to put it simply, and their first knee jerk reaction is, "Oh boy, I better deconstruct this to show how evil and bad everything really is," and we end up with a show like this taking a big crap on the original spirt of Archie Comics as a whole and the entire ideal of Americana to prove something to said hack creative person's political sensibilities.  Deconstruction is about destroying things, so yeah the intent is to destroy Archie Comics even if subconsciously.  They can't let Archie be Archie, because of that cultural Marxist nagging in the back of their head where things like simple Americana are no longer allowed.  No we need a show that exposes how BAD Riverdale really is.  A lot of people read Archie Comics for escapism, not that other crap.

Of course you'll just say, "it's just a TV show, you still have the comics."  It's called damaging your brand.  They had specific branding before this.  They went to absurd lengths to protect that branding before Jon Goldwater.  I didn't always agree with what they did, but it was something they cared about seemingly and now there's a huge shift.  Also most of the comics as we knew them are going away in favor of what they're doing now.  Frankly, I don't see the point of Archie Comics without Montana/DeCarlo/etc. art style.

Quote from: The Downloader on February 14, 2017, 07:56:54 PM

Quote from: Alexandra Cabot on February 14, 2017, 07:41:56 PM

QuoteIn my 11 years of loving Archie Comics, one thing has become apparent to me.  They are not so family friendly anymore.

I'm not heteronormative so I don't really care about Archie Comics being family friendly (a lot of people read it for innuendo anyways), but it's transformed into something it wasn't before and something completely alienating to it's original core audience which is pretty bad imo.  There's a way to expand your market without destroying everything.  Marvel Comics made similar mistakes recently too, and now they're back tracking like crazy to keep their old fans because the comics side of their business was tanking hardcore.

In my opinion, I don't really see Marvel backtracking as you say.  I see them wandering into uncharted territory, and loosing a LOT of subscribers!

Marvel is doing a plan to reboot their comics back to like they were before everythong go so messed up recently.  They saw how much money DC Comics started making after they did the same thing.

Marvel made the screw up of thinking SJWs and people from Tumblr actually buy comic books.  They don't, at least not in any meaningful numbers that can positively benefit market share.  I don't know what Archie's deal is, but they went from a huge publishing operation with a firm grip on an 11 year old female demographic to publishing niche titles in comic book stores and now pushing a trashy edgelord TV show that undermines what was formerly their core market.  I don't think they have any clue what the hell they are doing or trying to accomplish in regards to long term planning.  I mean I kind of hate how protective Disney is of their IP with kids, but there's firm business rationale behind that. 

QuoteIn my 11 years of loving Archie Comics, one thing has become apparent to me.  They are not so family friendly anymore.

I'm not heteronormative so I don't really care about Archie Comics being family friendly (a lot of people read it for innuendo anyways), but it's transformed into something it wasn't before and something completely alienating to it's original core audience which is pretty bad imo.  There's a way to expand your market without destroying everything.  Marvel Comics made similar mistakes recently too, and now they're back tracking like crazy to keep their old fans because the comics side of their business was tanking hardcore.

Archie made a huge deal about getting a new distribution deal with Walmart.  Remember it was suspected that absurd Kickstarter was more about acquiring funds to allow the Walmart deal and new title relaunches to happen simultaneously.  So if that's gone, I think that's pretty striking honestly.  Although, one Walmart not having them on one day isn't enough to say that Archie was axed from Walmart.

So I was in Walmart today.  All the Archie digests were gone from the digest racks at the checkouts.  Don't know if this is the case anywhere else, but I do recall them having Archie digests the last time I was in there.

Quote from: irishmoxie on February 12, 2017, 07:42:23 PM
Enough with the boring politics talk. Speaking of the downfall of Kmart, this guy made one about Target in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXYR69UhxI


I hope he makes one about Sears when the time comes.

Tuxedo Mark is obsessed with K-Mart because he worked there in the past and didn't have a good experience I think.  So he tracks its performance as some kind of weird revenge.  Honestly, the healthy thing for him to do would be to stop dwelling on it entirely.  I don't know why people would pander to this kind of thing and feign interest, seems kind of fake to me.

QuoteThis is entirely incorrect.  I have no issue with you, nor would I mock you. Like, ever, that I can imagine.

If it's my South Dakota comment, I apologize. It was meant as silliness.

Yeah, I copy/pasted quotes, you can stop the weak gaslighting now and stick it up your keister.  (btw, I never told you to stick anything up your keister, stop being silly, I would never say anything like that to you    ).  BTW, I know you're a Democrat because I've been reading this forum since before all the posts disappeared.

Quote from: terrence12 on February 12, 2017, 07:41:27 AM

Quote from: PTF on February 11, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
If Sonic does get canceled. It could go to IDW and continue from where they left off, couldn't they?

Nope

Why would Archie have control of Sega's IP exactly?

Quote from: steveinthecity on February 12, 2017, 02:16:10 AMAlso, I've certainly never "mocked" you by the way.  I might have Granny style wit, but I'm thinking you're confusing me with someone else. 


Why would I mock or have an issue with you to begin with?  This whole exchange baffles me, for real.

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I don't even know how I got drug into this.  Please point me to the posts I made that caused this to happpen. Anyone.

Okay sure thing, Steve:

QuoteHas California not been wildly progressive in their politics the last few decades?  Holy Cow.  I hate everyone in Connecticut, by the way.  They just don't look like proper Americans to me.  They smirk sometimes in photos. Connecticut is full of communist sympathizers, by my account. They're probably all commies. Every last one of them. North Carolina is also on my list, as is Maryland.  I'm just getting warmed up. South Dakota better hope I don't look your way!

QuoteExactly what party is that?  Hopefully it's one with a proper stock of full to the brim red Solo cups. How is it you enjoy excoriating or bearing such malice towards large swaths of people? You must be from South Dakota.

Sarcastic ass comments directed at me, mocking what I said.  These were your first comments in this discussion chain.  So can you please stop with "duh I didn't say these things I said a few pages back, why was I referenced, it's a mystery duhhhh" debate style and leave it in the internet of 2002.  It's pathetic.

QuoteNo.  Of course everything comes down to the individual and points back to my concern regarding any gross generalizations.

QuoteNo, it's not social media per se, that's just an avenue that rabble rousers or potential pot stirrers use imo to find the next target.

The left has gone completely off the rails.  If you don't think so, I really think you're completely out of touch honestly.  Anyone who has been paying attention for the past several years let alone the past few months should know that it's the truth.  And card carrying Democrats and the left in general DESERVE the blame, because they won't reel in the stupidity going on in the grass roots.  It's disgusting.  But I guess one electoral rebuke isn't enough to learn the lesson yet.  It's going to take two or three more national elections it seems.  Calling these people isolated incidents is false.  They're just living out the rhetoric that has been everywhere the left talks for the past five years.  This Frankenstein Monster didn't create itself.  It's this Marxist, revolutionary, identity politics BS manifesting itself to its logical conclusion.

Quote from: PTF on February 11, 2017, 09:37:17 PM
If Sonic does get canceled. It could go to IDW and continue from where they left off, couldn't they?

And it's not like this is the first time I've heard Archie Comics might be going under. Buncha fake news everywhere.

How many times has Archie announced/admitted a title was canceled?

Quote from: DeCarlo Rules on February 11, 2017, 12:47:42 AM

Quote from: 60sBettyandReggie on February 10, 2017, 09:02:12 PM
"A wake up call for who?" Oy, Seriously?Like I said, people are blind. They just don't want to see.
And when should the police take action then? They need to wait until someone dies? How many need to die before they intervene 1, 2, 10??

I don't know why the police didn't take action. I mentioned a few guesses, but that's all they were. I wasn't there, and have no insider knowledge of police procedure. You tell me why, or why you think they didn't.

Do you have reading comprehension problems?  I already said multiple times the mayor, who was an anti-Milo SJW whining about him on Twitter around the time of the riot, told the police to stand down.  If you can't see bias in that situation, yeah, you're dumb.

QuoteYou seem to be hinting at some obvious solution, but you don't really say what it is.

Well it could start with people on the left stop being hypocritical asshats who throw fits over things like the 1st amendment and then put on masks to start terrorizing voters after they lose a fair election.  Also perhaps the people who have slithered their way into power in academia and the media could stop giving these scumbags a pass and enabling them with rhetoric and ideology that brain washes them into thinking this is acceptable behavior.

QuoteMaybe the reason sonic the hedgehog comics are about to be cancelled in issue 300 is because archie comics need to really focus more on their original archie brand rather than the licensing ones.

Those comics draw in a significant audience they wouldn't be getting otherwise.  Getting rid of them would be really stupid.  They probably make it easier to print regular Archie stuff.  My guess is if they are canceled, it's because Sega decided to pull the plug.  Not sure why they would want to do that, but maybe Archie's doing so badly they could get a better deal from someone else.  Also I'm pretty sure they didn't like Archie's legal team getting schooled by Ken Penders so bad it was like an episode of Perry Mason.