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  • Tuxedo Mark: My review of "Archie's Weird Mysteries": "I Was a Teenage Vampire": [link]
    October 22, 2017, 09:04:01 PM
  • Ronny G: Actually yesterday. Today's Sunday, but I just got home from vacation today!
    October 22, 2017, 07:11:20 PM
  • Ronny G: Got my Betty and Veronica Halloween Annual digest in the mail today! YAY!
    October 22, 2017, 07:09:45 PM
  • Vegan Jughead: Hey but who needs Moose and Midge when you can have such prominent characters as Penny Peabody and Toni Topaz on the show?
    October 22, 2017, 10:30:03 AM
  • Vegan Jughead: Ms. Grundy would have been a total surprise but it turned out she wasn't really Ms. Grundy so I can let that go.  Killing Moose after barely seeing him last year and Midge after she was in literally one episode (and barely in it, at that) seems ridiculous.
    October 21, 2017, 08:31:51 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: For a character franchise that's been running for 75+ years, ARCHIE really has a pretty small cast of regulars. Apart from the core 5 and the other 6 already mentioned, there's Cheryl & Jason and Kevin... and (filed under "extended supporting players") the teachers and parents. That's pretty much it. 14 teen characters and their parents & teachers. Sabrina and Josie and their supporting casts coexist in Riverdale, but they're really their own separate franchises. If your murder victims turn out to be Jinx Malloy and Cricket O'Dell, there's not much drama in it, beyond a shrug.
    October 21, 2017, 07:12:39 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Why Moose and Midge? Good question... let me know if you can think of any other ongoing characters who are more expendable, but still well-known. I guess the other likely candidates would be Dilton and Ethel, or Chuck and Nancy. I guess you could come up with a short list of other names, but are they really that well-known? Ms. Grundy was a total surprise!
    October 21, 2017, 06:45:30 AM
  • BettyReggie: Midtown Comics has the new January 2018 Comics. I preordered mine.
    October 20, 2017, 05:17:44 PM
  • CAPalace: Seriously though why are Moose and Midge like one of the first people to die whenever they are in the horror stories line and now Riverdale lol
    October 20, 2017, 12:36:49 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: I recently watched Geek House's reaction to the episode. They're very amateur. They often leave in false starts and farting around before the actual intro. Joey often struggles with the episode title, like he can't just look it up before they start recording. Joey has to announce that he's putting the video into full screen and then does a countdown. Cut all of that stuff out! In the new review, he and his wife didn't react at all to Moose and Midge being killed. It soon became apparent that they didn't even know it was Moose and Midge! Joey referred to them as the "drug addicts".
    October 20, 2017, 11:42:14 AM
  • Vegan Jughead: Oh, wow, that sucks.
    October 20, 2017, 09:21:57 AM
  • JonInIowaCity: I'm not saying that they're dead, but they're not listed as appearing in any future episodes in IMBD, while other minor characters are.
    October 20, 2017, 08:53:10 AM
  • Vegan Jughead: I don't think Moose and Midge are dead.  I hope not.  It's one thing to kill Jason Blossom.  Killing two characters who have been around for 68 years is something else entirely.
    October 20, 2017, 07:43:40 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Or a short black actress with punky hair.  ;D
    October 19, 2017, 12:21:11 PM
  • JonInIowaCity: Looks like each episode of season 2 will end with a murder.
    October 18, 2017, 09:55:30 PM
  • BettyReggie: Midge looked like she was wearing wig. Couldn't they get a actress with short spunky black hair?
    October 18, 2017, 09:38:39 PM
  • BettyReggie: My Riverdale #7 came today.
    October 18, 2017, 05:24:07 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: Plus, this Black Hood seems to be an outright murderer who isn't even targeting criminals...
    October 17, 2017, 09:45:36 PM

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: October 17, 2017, 10:41:37 PM »
Today (10-17):
Both of these digests have a cover price of $6.99 -- but the B&V Halloween Annual has 192 pages, and Archie & Me Digest #1 has only 128 pages.

BETTY & VERONICA HALLOWEEN ANNUAL #257 - Despite irishmoxie's complaint over the low incidence of true Halloween stories in the B&V Annual (which is a fair assessment), the overall quality of most of these story pages is pretty high, and I'd rate the contents as being between 70-80% "above average" stories. There's a fair amount of pages of Dan DeCarlo artwork, and a fair amount of pages of Dan Parent artwork, probably a higher percentageof those two artists than found in any other digest title (and seeing as how they are among my favorite of all the regular Archie artists, that is a very good thing). Of course there are also some Stan Goldberg and Jeff Shultz stories, as you would pretty much expect in any B&V digest. It has a good amount of variety too, with Sabrina, Josie, and Cheryl Blossom stories (by Holly G) in addition to the B&V stories, and Veronica and Betty solo stories. I don't have a clue why they moved the Josie and Cheryl stories from B&V Friends, where they formerly appeared regularly, to the regular B&V title, but it only makes this a better digest title. It's true that of the 192 pages in the digest, 14 of them are advertising pages, so that leaves 178 - and out of those, 2 of them are puzzle pages, which I just glance at briefly and skip over. There's also a 2-page Halloween Quiz (from one of the old B&V Spectacular magazine-style comics) -- but I actually enjoyed reading that -- and a 5-page feature on ideas for throwing a Halloween party, illustrated by Dan Parent (again, from one of those old B&V Spec's) that actually has some pretty good ideas, if you were thinking of throwing a Halloween Bash. Ironically, the few pages of Halloween-themed stories contained here are among the weakest stories in this issue. There were 2 or 3 of the older classic reprints that I'd rate as absolute gems, however. And best of all, no pages wasted on "Little" B&V stories by Dexter Taylor - those I always skip, so this digest contains virtually no wasted pages, apart from the obligatory ads and those 2 puzzle pages (that's actually a pretty low number of puzzle pages by Annual standards).

ARCHIE AND ME COMICS DIGEST #1 - Vegan Jughead was right about this one. It's among the worst digests Archie Comics has ever published. Oh, the new 5-pager written by Dan Parent and drawn by Jeff Shultz (nice to see new stories by him, BTW) is great. When Dan writes a classic Archie story, he's on-target 90% of the time or better, and all of the returning former classic Archie artists are turning in great work, in most cases some of the best art they've ever done. It's all downhill after those first 5 pages, though. This digest had, out of its 128 pages, 10 pages of ads, so that leaves 118 pages of stories. AND 23 of those pages were devoted to "Archie Babies" -- which I flipped through and didn't read. Hey, here's an idea... why not devote 15 to 24 pages in a digest title to stories about "Octogenarian Archie & Friends"?? Sound like something you'd want to read, eh? Well, frankly... even THAT would be more interesting to me than any of the reprints involving Baby, Little, or "The New Archies" versions of the characters. It's a complete waste of paper, as far as I'm concerned. That left me with 95 pages of story, and of those, most of them are pretty run-of-the-mill. I'd say LESS THAN HALF of those pages were above average stories, so considering the cover price here, and the lack of anything compelling me to buy this, I'd rate it as an absolute "NOT BUY". About the nicest thing I can say about the reprint pages is that at least they had the courtesy to skip the puzzle pages (but they could have put 23 of them in here instead of Archie Babies, and it wouldn't have made a difference to me). If I hadn't already pre-ordered issues #2 & #3, I'd probably skip them -- and if things follow the usual pattern, I'm pretty sure those issues will ALSO be filled with 23-page "Archie Babies" sections! Am I ever glad I didn't subscribe to this! UGH!

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All About Archie / Who am I?
« on: October 06, 2017, 12:41:22 PM »
I'm athletic and like to keep in shape.

My best gal-pal is Veronica Lodge.

I have blond hair and people say I'm good looking.

I'm a good student.

I love my sister and we get along great.

I believe in social justice and getting involved with my community.

My best guy-pal is Jughead.

I have a positive outlook, and people like me.

Even though I have a boyfriend, sometimes I can get distracted by a hunky guy.

I like journalism, and I might want to make it my career after graduation.

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All About Archie / Re: Your Pal Archie
« on: October 06, 2017, 06:57:49 AM »
YOUR PAL ARCHIE #3 is out next week (along with the reprint ARCHIE'S HALLOWEEN SPECIAL)!

And for Halloween ComicFest coming up the week of Halloween, another ARCHIE'S MADHOUSE minicomic!  8)

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All About Archie / Re: Archie Comics history Trivia Challenge
« on: October 05, 2017, 07:26:04 AM »
I'm still trying to figure out whether PEP or Pals n Gals had any unique Josie or Sabrina stories.

Josie stories began appearing in both PEP and LAUGH Comics the same month that JOSIE #1 came out (from March 1963 through May 1965). After that, Josie shorts began appearing in ARCHIE'S TV LAUGH-OUT, then back to PEP for a 3 issues in 1974, 3 issues in 1975, 1 in 1982 and 1 in 1986. After that, back to LAUGH Comics for #400 (the final issue) and then in LAUGH (Vol. 2) #1-29, then to ARCHIE & FRIENDS.

Sabrina shorts began in ARCHIE'S MADHOUSE, moved to ARCHIE'S TV LAUGH-OUT with its first issue, then when it ended to LAUGH (Vol. 2) #1-29, and when that ended to ARCHIE & FRIENDS #2-15. Sabrina's appearances in PEP were very irregular -- she appeared in issues #345 (1/2-page gag), 382, 389, 398 (1-page gag), 407, & 411 (the final issue). Prior to Vol. 2 of LAUGH, she had appeared in issues #380 (1/2-page gag), 394 & 399 of LAUGH Comics, before it ended.

That covers all of their runs as regularly reoccurring features in the anthology titles. Josie appeared in ARCHIE'S PALS 'n GALS #23 (Winter 1962-63) in the 6-page "Tongue Twister" and in ARCHIE'S PALS 'n' GALS #194 (in the 1-page "Say Cheese!"). Sabrina's appearances in ARCHIE'S PALS 'n' GALS were limited to 1/2-page gags in #189, 193, 202, 213, 217, & 224 (and a 1-pager in #214). Both Josie and Sabrina could show up in any of the anthology titles, but it was as a very occasional feature, or more likely as a 1/2 to 2-page gag filler. To be honest, either of them were more likely to show up in a 1-page Hostess advertisement, or a house ad. I'm working up an index of Josie and Sabrina stories in the anthology titles. TV LAUGH-OUT is the only anthology title to have both Josie and Sabrina stories for the majority of its 106-issue run, although it varies issue by issue as to whether the stories are 5-6 pagers or 1/2-page to 1-page gags (issues #1-17 were the only ones to have any Sabrina stories longer than 6 pages).

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Archie's Friends / Re: How many versions of the Archie superheroes?
« on: September 30, 2017, 10:59:55 AM »
Okay - HOW MANY FLIPPING VERSIONS, ALREADY, HAVE their been of the " serious " super-heroes published by ACP have there been? I was tending to call them " the MLJ heroes, yes, evem[size=78%] including the ones who originated after the MLJ name was given up, but I saw a Wikipedia entry saying " Red Circle " was the prefered generic phrase. Which one?[/size]

The MLJ era = 1939-1948 (Pep, Zip, Top-Notch, Blue Ribbon, Jackpot. Black Hood and Shield are the last holdouts in Laugh and Pep after 1946.

"Archie Adventure Series" era = 1959-1964 Adventures of the Fly #1-30, Double Life of Pvt. Strong #1-2, Adventures of the Jaguar #1-15, The Shadow #1-3. Jaguar, Fly, and Fly-Girl also appear briefly as a regular short feature of both Laugh and Pep.

Mighty Comics Group era = 1965-1967 The Shadow #4-8, Fly-Man #31-39, The Mighty Crusaders #1-7, Mighty Comics Presents #40-50.

Red Circle (1) imprint = 1972-1974 Horror/mystery stories, no supers. Chilling Tales of Sorcery, Madhouse.

Red Circle (2) era = 1983-1985 Brief revival years of The Mighty Crusaders #1-13, plus several other heroes in their own titles. All short-lived. Final year dispenses with Red Circle imprint (originally direct-sales only) in favor of "Archie Adventure Series" corner box and newsstand distribution again.

*Spectrum Comics* (circa 1989-1990)  Intended "edgy" ACP superhero imprint which would have rebooted The Fly and The Hangman; others in various stages of treatment. Cancelled after over a year in development plus advance publicity in The Comics Buyers' Guide, when Michael Silberkleit finally sees Kelley Jones' pencilled pages for The Hangman #1, is utterly revolted, and pulls the plug on the entire project.

Impact! Comics era = 1991-1992 (licensed by DC Comics) Numerous titles, rebooted heroes. Lighter tone than current DC mainstream titles, for an intended audience a few years younger (not unlike Marvel's "Ultimate" universe, a decade later).

Red Circle (3) era = 2009-2010 (licensed by DC Comics) The Shield, The Web, Hangman, Mighty Crusaders

Red Circle (4) era = 2012-2014 Back at Archie Comics: New Crusaders: Rise of the Heroes #1-6; The Fox #1-5

Dark Circle era = 2015-2017  Black Hood, The Fox, Hangman, The Shield, The Mighty Crusaders #1 (Dec. 2017)

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General Discussion / Re: What is to become of me and my collection?
« on: September 28, 2017, 11:14:30 AM »
Sounds like you've been pretty busy. I don't know how you plan to just up and move to Japan without a job or savings to start with, but I guess you must have some idea in mind. Good luck!

I guess if you can digitize your entire collection onto a couple of huge hard drives then "You CAN take it with you."  ;)

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General Discussion / Re: What are you currently watching?
« on: September 23, 2017, 04:58:59 AM »
MONSTER HIGH feature DVDs:
   New Ghoul @ School
   Fright On!
   Why Do Ghouls Fall in Love?
   Escape From Skull Shores
   Friday Night Frights
   Ghouls Rule!
   Scaris: City of Frights
   13 Wishes
   Frights, Camera, Action!
   Freaky Fusion
   Haunted
   Boo York, Boo York
   Great Scarrier Reef

EVER AFTER HIGH Specials:
   Legacy Day
   True Hearts Day
   Spring Unsprung
   Way Too Wonderland

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General Discussion / Re: Archie Barber Shop
« on: September 22, 2017, 05:51:52 AM »
Not an Archie Comic. Andy Hardy, actually -- from DELL FOUR COLOR #480 (July 1953).



There's an apocryphal story that says that John Goldwater was inspired by seeing a long line of teenagers queued-up to get tickets for an Andy Hardy movie, which in turn inspired Goldwater with the idea that he ought to publish some teenage humor comics. Some speculate that the film in question might have been Life Begins for Andy Hardy, which was released on August 15, 1941. That would fit the production lead time for PEP COMICS #22 (cover-dated December, 1941), which would have been on the stands sometime in October of that year. There's one big problem with that theory, however... in his first appearance, Archie -- and Betty and Jughead, who all appeared in that first story -- weren't teenagers. They were about 12 years old. MLJ Magazines DID have a teenage humor character prior to Archie Andrews, though... Wilbur Wilkin. Wilbur first appeared in ZIP COMICS #18 (cover-dated September 1941), which would have been on the stands sometime in July 1941. Too early to be inspired by THAT particular Andy Hardy picture, but Goldwater could have been inspired by an earlier film, like Andy Hardy's Private Secretary, which had been released in February 1941, enough time to get a writer and artist working on cobbling together a story about hapless teenager Wilbur.

Translating the idea of a popular movie genre into a comic book wasn't any particular stroke of genius, either. The concept of the humorous antics of teenagers in comics goes back as far as The Love Life of Harold Teen, a newspaper comic strip (later shortened to just Harold Teen) that first appeared on Sunday, May 4, 1919 in The Chicago Tribune (later famed as the home paper of Dick Tracy). "Harold Teen" could truly be said to be on the cutting edge, in the sense that the very concept of the teenager (and coining of the word itself), as a distinct social group with its own independent ways and fads and foibles, was only just beginning to be recognized by adult society after the first World War, as the nineteen-teens turned into the nineteen-twenties. Henry Ford had given them the mobility to congregate in small groups free of parental supervision, at just about the same time that the idea of a parental gratuity called an "allowance" was taking hold.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 21, 2017, 01:49:23 AM »
09-20-17:
BUG: THE ADVENTURES OF FORAGER #4 (of 6)
FUTURE QUEST PRESENTS SPACE GHOST #2 (of ?)
WONDER WOMAN '77/BIONIC WOMAN #6 (of 6)
WONDER WOMAN/CONAN #1 (of 6)
ACTION COMICS #987
DARK NIGHTS: METAL #2 (of 6)
DARK NIGHTS: BATMAN THE RED DEATH #1 (one-shot)
BATMAN: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
HARLEY QUINN: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
DC SUPER HERO GIRLS: BATMAN DAY 2017 SPECIAL EDITION #1
RICK & MORTY: POCKET LIKE YOU STOLE IT #3 (of 5)
BLACK HAMMER #13
MICRONAUTS: WRATH OF KARZA #5 (of 5)
STREET FIGHTER VS DARKSTALKERS #5 (of 8 )
KAIJUMAX: SEASON 3 #3 (of 6)
BLOOD BOWL: MORE GUTS, MORE GLORY #4 (of 4)
WOLFENSTEIN #1 (of 2)
INFINI-T FORCE GN VOL 01: ARC TO THE FUTURE
DRAGONS RIOTING GN VOL 01-07

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General Discussion / Re: Latest Hauls, what did you buy?
« on: September 16, 2017, 01:09:28 PM »
Ordered a huge pile of back issue Archie Comics from Mycomicshop.com. I'd have to wait forever until I just found those issues cheap somewhere.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 14, 2017, 09:41:59 AM »
That reminds me of a Little Archie story I read the other day in World of Archie #53. In the story, a frustrated department store Santa Claus takes off his red hat and puts it on Veronica's head, but then the color of the hat changes to green!

It's some kind of magical mind-control thing. Pretty sure that's how he enslaves his "helpers" to his will. Didn't you ever notice all the helpers seem to wear green hats? What's up with that?

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 14, 2017, 12:30:31 AM »
I thought maybe they changed the bikini to a one-piece so they wouldn't offend mothers who may buy it for their children, but you're right, do they actually read what it says?
I also got Betty and Veronica comic digest #256 in the mail today. I was happily surprised to see some classic Josie and the Pussycats stories in it since I thought they were just confined to the pages of B&V Friends, so maybe the rumors of B&V Friends ending are true and they moved Josie over. Also, happy to see some classic 70s Sabrina stories instead of the more modern (2000?) version.

I had the same initial thought. Then again, as I remarked here when I read it last month, the most recent B&V FRIENDS (#255) didn't have Josie (or Cheryl) reprints in it, as it usually had up to this point -- and in fact, Josie reprints had been a regular feature of B&V FRIENDS going all the way back to when the title was changed from BETTY AND VERONICA DIGEST back in 2011 with issue #209. The next issue of B&V FRIENDS (JUMBO COMICS), #256, the Halloween-themed issue, is scheduled to ship in 2 weeks (09/27), so maybe we'll see if it has Josie (or Cheryl) reprints in it again.

It does seem a little odd that they're trying to squeeze both Josie and Cheryl reprints into the regular BETTY AND VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST, which has always carried Sabrina reprints (in this issue, revisionist-logo'ed as HILDA and ZELDA stories). I laughed because while it's fair to say that Hilda was the focus of the first Sabrina story, she's also the focus of the second story, despite the fact that it's Zelda who appears most prominently in the 1st panel of the story. I don't think there really are any Sabrina stories revolving mostly around Zelda until we get to Sabrina's series from the 1990s. There's more proof that they didn't actually READ the story... just looked at Zelda prominently featured in the 1st panel, and decided to slap a ZELDA logo on the story.

Further proof that the production department colorists don't read what it says on the page occurs in the story where B&V participate as contestants on the TV game show "Race Around the World". In a panel introducing the other pairs of competing players, we're introduced to Lisa and Lana, who are described (in a caption appearing right above their figures in the panel) as twin sisters -- yet the colorist chose these particular incidental characters as an opportunity to "diversify" the cast of a reprinted story, and Lisa and Lana not only have different hairstyles and different-colored hair (explainable), but one twin is Caucasian, and the other twin African-American! Talk about embarassing...!! And then, it seems as though the colorist has realized his goof (but not corrected it), as Lisa and Lana both appear in the rest of the story with the same hair and (Caucasian) skin coloring.

Now, in the instance of the cover gag featuring the "umbrella girl" on the beach, I've no doubt that if I were to try finding the original appearance of that Dan DeCarlo gag, the umbrella girl, as she originally appeared, would have been Caucasian. I didn't bring it up in my prior post about the colorists altering the cover for that gag because it's completely irrelevant to the joke. The only points relevant would be that the girl on the beach under the umbrella is pretty and shapely, and that she's wearing a bikini (which might be considered the most salient point of the joke, since Veronica considers that worthy of mentioning). Her ethnicity doesn't matter to the nature of the joke -- it's exactly as relevant as whether her bikini is white with blue polka-dots, or purple with yellow polka-dots.

I have no problem at all with the idea of the production department diversifying the cast of incidental characters by choosing some of them as representatives of people of color, because I agree with the intent in principle. These digest reprints are aimed at audience of contemporary pre-teens, and I applaud ACP for wanting to make those stories more inclusive and accessible to kids of all ethnicities. All I ask is that they actually read the stories first, and apply those changes judiciously, so that the end results don't stick out like a sore thumb as obvious alterations of the original story that don't fit -- the alteration of the umbrella girl to a person of color is a good example (and the alteration of her bathing suit a poor one), while the alteration of Lisa and Lana is a bad example (in fact, one of the worst, counterproductive to the intent of including people of color). Kids are not stupid, and it's an embarassment and makes the whole company look bad when they screw it up.

In the case of archival-type reprints that are aimed at an audience of collectors, many if not most of them adults, the source material should be adhered to as originally published, for reasons of historical accuracy. A blanket disclaimer somewhere in the front of the book advising that "These stories were originally created during a time... yadda-yadda-yadda" is sufficient explanation.

For the same reason, it's dismaying when I see a reprint like "Off to a Good Start" (from JOSIE #45, Dec. 1969) in the recent BEST OF JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS trade paperback, but it's been reprinted from a later digest reprint altered by the production department so that the original text of Alexandra's dialogue balloon was re-lettered to change it -- instead of referring to her magic powers, Alexandra makes reference to having studied hypnosis on a website.

At any rate, those reprints of other girl humor features ARE the "friends" of the title B&V FRIENDS, so without them, it's just Betty and Veronica stories. I do hope they keep reprinting them, regardless of the eventual fate of B&V FRIENDS, but I'd hate to see only one B&V digest title being published.

Also, is it just me, or did they recently change the paper they're being printed on? The paper seems whiter and the colors "pop" more. I took a break from the digests for a few months, so this is the first one I received in a while so I don't know.

Can't say that I noticed any difference in the paper quality or printing in recent months.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 13, 2017, 02:24:02 AM »

...and then I had to laugh when I looked at this cover again. I mean, it's obviously a reprint of an older Dan DeCarlo gag from... who knows where.
But then someone decided to mess with the original drawing, so that the joke doesn't even make sense anymore. "What beach umbrella?", indeed? The real question here should be... "WHAT bikini???" since the girl sitting under the beach umbrella behind Archie ISN'T WEARING A BIKINI, but a one-piece swimsuit.

ANATOMY OF A JOKE GONE WRONG:

Since I located a previous use of that same cover gag where the girl under the umbrella is STILL wearing a bikini, let's compare them and try to figure out what might have happened here:


On the left is the image as it was altered by the production department for use on the cover of that 1000 Page digest, and on the right is a previous appearance of the same Dan DeCarlo gag on the cover of ARCHIE DOUBLE DIGEST #230, where the girl appears in a bikini as DeCarlo had originally drawn the gag.

However, someone decided that they needed to put a big banner across the cover of the 1000 Page digest, proclaiming "OVER 100 CLASSIC STORIES", and the placement of that banner happens to cover up umbrella girl's derriere, so someone probably looked at it and thought "If we leave it like this, it kind of looks like she might not be wearing any panties, because all you can see now is her bare belly and her bare leg. I guess maybe we should color in her bare midriff to make it look like a one-piece swimsuit." Except that colorists don't ever seem to actually READ what's on the page, so they didn't notice or care that THE JOKE HERE IS SPECIFIC TO A GIRL IN A BIKINI. If someone had noticed that, they could have still fixed it with another minute's work of alteration, like so:

If you're going to remove the bikini from the girl that Veronica is referring to in the joke, then you've got to remove the word "bikini" from Veronica's dialogue balloon, or it makes it look like the people at ACP are idiots. It's still not quite as funny as the original version of the joke, though, because in the original version, the girl under the umbrella is wearing a more revealing swimsuit, a bikini, that gets Archie's attention, where Veronica is wearing a one-piece swimsuit that's less revealing. If the girl under the umbrella is also wearing a one-piece swimsuit, the same as Veronica is, there's less reason for Archie to stare at her lustily, although of course that's never stopped his wandering eyes before.



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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: September 12, 2017, 12:38:10 AM »
I was hoping that maybe the latest BETTY & VERONICA DOUBLE DIGEST would come in the mail a few days early, but no such luck.  :(

So instead I pulled out an older 1000-Pager, ARCHIE 1000 PAGE COMICS CELEBRATION, and read that. I seem to recall that these things usually cut out out all the special character sections of the digest reprints, so I was actually kind of surprised to find that this one had a Josie and the Pussycats section reprinting both parts of "Music For the Masses", from ARCHIE & FRIENDS #48-49. That story and the 2-parter in the following two issues of A&F were the longest Josie stories (24 pages) since the 1960s, and still the longest ones to date.

...and then I had to laugh when I looked at this cover again. I mean, it's obviously a reprint of an older Dan DeCarlo gag from... who knows where.
But then someone decided to mess with the original drawing, so that the joke doesn't even make sense anymore. "What beach umbrella?", indeed? The real question here should be... "WHAT bikini???" since the girl sitting under the beach umbrella behind Archie ISN'T WEARING A BIKINI, but a one-piece swimsuit.

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All About Archie / Re: Bart Beaty's TWELVE-CENT ARCHIE
« on: September 11, 2017, 11:47:51 PM »
I finished re-reading TWELVE-CENT ARCHIE. Bart Beaty's particular bias becomes understandable only in light of considering the last chapter, where he talks about how he first discovered Archie Comics as a kid. His parents had rented a camp cottage, and he discovered a box of old Archie Comics under the stairs there, and he'd return and re-read those comics every summer when his parents rented the camp. He talks about how when he assembled his collection of twelve-cent Archies to write the book, he kept encountering stories that he fondly remembered reading from that box he found under the stairs, and realizing that all of the stories he really liked were Harry Lucey-drawn Archie stories. He also mentioned something about having no interest in romance at that time as a kid, so I'll guess that either there weren't a lot of Betty & Veronica and Josie comics in that box, or maybe there were, but those weren't the ones that interested him as a kid. It kind of makes sense now, when you consider that it's nostalgia that's skewing his POV of the Archie Comics published in the twelve-cent era.

It's still frustrating to me, as a huge Dan DeCarlo fan, and someone whose main interest in Archie is the girl-centric titles, to see how he continually shies away from talking about DeCarlo's work, or when he does deem to mention it, focuses on some ridiculous thing like the foreground girls or this one page DeCarlo drew with a foreground girl who appears split between two panels on the first page, or how DeCarlo repeated essentially the same joke in one pin-up page as he'd done on a pin-up page in the issue a month before that. But I sort of get it. He wasn't interested in Betty & Veronica and Josie comics as a kid when he was reading those old comics he found in a box under the stairs, and he's still not interested now.

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