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All About Archie / Re: Archie Comics February 2018 Solicitations
« on: November 16, 2017, 04:15:09 AM »
I hope that Best of Betty and Veronica Vol 2 trade really happens this time, though. 

Yeah, me too. It seems like lately they are catching up and managing to get those old cancelled trade collections printed after all (look how long it took for THE COMPLETE SABRINA) so hopefully they can keep it up.

Here's a "not final" cover image from a 'previously solicited but later cancelled' offering (unfortunately I couldn't find an exact release date on this one) of that same proposed title:


This wouldn't be a bad time to review a number of the remaining 'previously solicited but later cancelled' offerings, so here's some of the ones that still haven't made it to print so far:

Another B&V TPB collection, previously solicited for a December 24, 2014 shipping date and later cancelled:


This one was intended as a hardcover collection reprinting the first six issues of ARCHIE'S GIRLS BETTY AND VERONICA (I don't have the intended release date):


Previously solicited for a January 20, 2016 shipping date and later cancelled:


This B&V TPB collection would have been in the form of a flip-book (with two "front covers" upside-down relative to each other), intended for a March 30, 2016 shipping date but later cancelled:


Two previous solicitations for KEVIN KELLER TPB collections that would have compiled the remainder of the existing published single issues:

Maybe we'll finally get to see those after the LIFE WITH KEVIN TPB collection of digital issues #1-4 sees print?



And finally a few Red Circle superhero/adventure series TPB collections solicited then cancelled that still haven't been resolicited:

The second Fox miniseries, THE FOX: FOX HUNT by Dean Haspiel and Mark Waid:


NEW CRUSADERS: DARK TOMORROW, a trade compilation from a miniseries completed (but never published as single issues) as a follow-up to NEW CRUSADERS: RISE OF THE HEROES:


And finally, a TPB collection of Tom DeFalco & Greg Scott's SAM HILL, PRIVATE EYE, which was released as a digital exclusive, but not as solicited for trade paperback:

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: November 15, 2017, 09:26:39 AM »
SCARLET TRACES VOL 02 TP
THE ROOK ARCHIVES VOL 02 HC
THE ROOK ARCHIVES VOL 03 HC
THE ART OF THE PULPS HC
FICTION HOUSE: FROM PULPS TO PANELS, FROM JUNGLES TO SPACE HC
ROM #13 & 14
FIRST STRIKE #0-6 (of 6)
FIRST STRIKE: MICRONAUTS #1 (one-shot)
FIRST STRIKE: ROM #1 (one-shot)
NOT BRAND ECHH #14 (one-shot)
THE HARVEY COMICS COMPANION by Mark Arnold TP
FUTURE QUEST PRESENTS: THE GALAXY TRIO VS. SPACE GHOST #4
BUG: THE ADVENTURES OF FORAGER #5  (of 6)
CASPER THE FRIENDLY GHOST #2
GREEN HORNET '66 MEETS THE SPIRIT #5 (of 5)
RASPUTIN: VOICE OF THE DRAGON #1 (of 5)
KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (of 6)
SIMPSONS COMICS #241
COUGAR AND CUB TP
SHIGERU MIZUKI'S KITARO VOL 04: KITARO'S STRANGE ADVENTURES TP

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General Discussion / Re: Sears/Kmart
« on: November 13, 2017, 10:44:38 AM »
That's a bummer. I remember going into a K-mart once and specifically asking a store clerk if they carried Archie digests, and the answer was "No", although that was a couple of years ago. I do remember seeing them about a year later in Walmart, but lately when I've been in there... once again, no Archie digests. Come to think of it, it's been a while since I've looked at Barnes & Noble, which was the only other place I knew of that I could reliably find them (other than special-ordering through my LCS) so who knows if B&N even carries them now. It would explain a lot.

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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 12, 2017, 06:30:13 AM »
Psychoanalysis of the people you know is probably not considered "normal" for any teenager, but that's Trula's thing. If any more proof were needed, for no particular reason on her part (it's not because she decided she didn't like them, or wanted revenge against them or anything) in "The Opinion Maker" (JUGHEAD #176), Trula decides to try an experiment in social modification to change what other people think about Betty and Veronica. Her interest is purely scientific, just to see if she can do it. I leave it to anyone to decide if that's "normal" or not. Yet in her own strange way, Trula's really a nice girl. When she offers Jughead a place to stay temporarily at her house, she doesn't do it (as Jughead is expecting) hoping to get anything out of it, it's done because she's sympathetic to his problems with his own family.

Trula's not like the other teenagers we know in Riverdale in that she's from a single-parent home. Her mother is an independent career woman, a successful psychologist and author, and Trula's the only character who has shown a strong desire to follow in a similar career path to her parent. Trula probably has a need to prove that her self-image isn't dependent on a relationship, like her mother, regardless of her interest in Jughead. She doesn't let her emotions rule her thoughts. Trula probably thinks the only thing necessary to get along in life is to understand how other people think and why they behave the way they do.

The thing about the Trula-Jughead relationship that's most fascinating is that it's more complex than that between any other two characters in Riverdale. Jughead considers her his archenemy, but Trula doesn't feel the same way about him. She LIKES him, as a girl. When Jughead describes her as "trouble", that's REALLY what he's talking about. For the most part, Jughead doesn't avoid girls because he's scared of them. TRULA actually does scare him, so by demonizing her he's putting up a front. But even though Jughead considers her his archenemy, he never once considers NOT buying her a Christmas present, something that boggles Archie's mind.

As a psychology student though, Jughead's unique mindset fascinates Trula endlessly. NOBODY else can figure Jughead out. Oh, they may THINK they can. Certainly every single person he knows is aware of his weakness for food, which is so much of an autonomic knee-jerk response that it comes up constantly in stories. But everything else about the way he thinks... no. Not even Archie, really, and he's his best friend. They can recognize a few general behavior patterns they've seen over and over again when it comes to Juggie, but they don't really understand the WHY of his behavior, like why Jughead would expend 5 times as much energy avoiding work as he would if he just gave into the situation and agreed to do the work. It's not the energy it takes to do the work. If you can talk him into something, he'll do it, or at least try to do it, as he agreed. But once he's decided he's NOT gonna do something, no one and nothing will change his mind, and that becomes a matter of principle for him.

When it comes to girls, there have been some that have pursued Jughead, but with Ethel, he merely has to avoid her, outrun her, or trick her in some way. If Juggie looks panicked sometimes when she's chasing him, it's merely the adrenaline of the immediate pursuit. Sometimes he relents and feels sympathy for her, when he sees how hard she tries, and decides to give her a break. What Trula manages to do that no other girl ever has is make Jughead expend a goodly portion of his thoughts thinking about HER, worrying about her, wondering what she's going to do next, and figuring out how he can resist falling prey to her traps. The one thing he CAN'T afford to do is avoid thinking about her. So to him, she's his "archenemy". After the original "Target: Jughead" story, Trula is never quite as aggressive in targeting Jughead, and maybe it's because she just feels like she's got too big of an advantage over him.

On one level, Trula is to Jughead as Jughead is to Reggie. Jughead can ALWAYS whoop Reggie's mental butt in a battle of wits, because he's figured out exactly what makes Reggie tick... how he thinks. And Trula can do the same to Jughead, which is what scares him. For every time Jughead swears up and down that Trula will never make him do this or that, he winds up doing it anyway. This is why Trula is the only girl who scares him, and what makes her his "archenemy" -- that she somehow understands Jughead's psychology better than he understands himself, and can get him to do things that he's consciously promised himself he won't do, so it feels like he's betrayed his own principles and acted in direct opposition to his conscious choices, or at least something he recognizes that he's against doing in principle.

At some point in the series of Trula stories, Jughead's paranoia over her becomes a bigger instigator for stories than anything Trula sets out to do. Jughead can figure out how Reggie thinks, because Reggie's a guy. Jughead has some idea of his own that he thinks he knows how girls think (most of which is just the negative stuff he hates about Veronica), but he actually has no clue how they really think, because he's not even interested in knowing -- girls are too alien to him, and he's never really bothered. What's the point? He's never considered he'd have any use for that information, so he's never even tried. And that's his great weakness when he comes up against Trula. He'll try to predict what she'll do, but he'll never ever actually attempt to understand her -- because he can't put himself in her place. It's simpler for him to believe there's no reason other than that she's just trying to torture him. Whether his brief time as her houseguest resulted in any change in his way of thinking is anyone's guess, since that's (almost) the last we've seen of her, but he should at least be grateful for her help.

All of the above, of course, refers specifically just to the "Craig Boldman Jughead" and how he behaves in those stories. It's just not possible to incorporate all that other stuff from the early '90s (to say nothing of the earlier stuff from the 1950s and 1960s) into a consistent character.

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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 12, 2017, 03:08:02 AM »
Trula Twyst as Jughead sees her: "trouble squared, cubed, and double-polygoned".



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NOTES FROM PSYCHOANALYSIS OF SUBJECT "J" (by T. Twyst):

Subject displays an active imagination, and a strong desire to cast himself in a favorable image to himself and others. Subject believes that he is being passively observed, and that his actions require justification in the form of a narrative commentary, acted out for the benefit of those observers, on events of his life.

Subject displays an involuntary strong emotional disturbance in reaction to the thought of "Trula Twyst", which causes him to break his self-defined character as an ersatz "Professor" (offering an explanation as calmly logical methodology) and disrupts his mental powers of concentration, as denoted by the logical progression of mathematical powers of ten (squared to cubed), to a non-sequitur association with nonsense-geometry ("double-polygoned"), as he symbolically casts aside his robes of professorial learning. Subject would like to believe he is a paragon of intelligence and knowledge, but when this self-delusion is shattered, he casts it aside along with his faith in his own rational ability, letting himself be guided by pure emotion.

All reactions of Subject J continue to progress according to behavioral predictions.

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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 11, 2017, 07:25:10 AM »
Not really related to Trula, but I came across this interesting short e-book (free to read) entitled ANALYZING JUGHEAD by Monique Jones. It doesn't really talk about Trula, nor is it the kind of psychoanalysis that Trula usually practices, but it's worth a look for free. I don't agree with half of what the author has to say (for some reason that escapes me, she spends 2 pages of her 25 page book talking about Jughead's suspenders and treating them in terms as if they were as iconic as his beanie or his S-shirt), but I just think it's kind of interesting that anything like this exists at all.

https://issuu.com/moniquej/docs/analyzingjugheadebook

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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 11, 2017, 05:39:23 AM »

I think a lot of his attitude towards women comes from seeing how Veronica (and others like Cheryl) treats Archie like crap even though he is too much of a lapdog for her (her fickleness doesn't help either).
Excellent point. Jughead sees his buddy as very pliable to girl's "wiles" (also one his strengths with them-he doesn't want to hurt any, though he does it when he sees other girls behind their backs), and he doesn't want to be treated like that. My deal with Trula is that she doesn't seem to have any flaws, which is of course not true. I seem to recall the story where Juhead stayed at her home when he was trying to prove a point to his parents about staying under their roof. We found out a little about Trula, where her parents were divorced. I think DR pointed out when she couldn't control them not staying together as a child, and she's been trying to make up for it ever since through her psychology.

I like a story where Trula gets hers, such as the one where she spreads rumors about Betty and Ronica, reversing what most people usually thought of the girls, saying Betty isn't as nice as she seems, while Ronica is much nicer than she appears, all to aid her study about people's reactions. Jughead got wind of it, and in the end, he poured some food on her in the cafeteria, and left her, all while doing it in a "gentle" manner.

I think that Jughead's friendship with Betty is the most genuine outside of Archie. Recall at the end of the classic Archie story "Decisions" (in my second album, near the front). He told Betty if he kissed any girl, it would be Betty. He also said if Archie has to like a girl, he'd prefer Betty for him, and Jughead would approve. Throughout the years, Jughead has virtually almost always helped Betty over Ronica in Betty's battles for Archie's attentions. In the most recent new Archie book, Jughead recalled a memory when they were all children, concerning Betty: Hot Dog being hit by a car, and was struggling to survive while they were all at the veterinarian's office. Archie, not understanding (though he tries), said the worse thing possible while comforting Jughead: "I know how you feel". Jughead dismissed Archie and Betty in a huff. Betty came back later and sat with Jughead while he worried about Hot Dog. He knows Betty's a good person, throughout both the classic and the new versions. That hasn't changed....

Actually, in the story you're referring to ("Psyche Out!", JUGHEAD #210) where Jughead moves in with Trula and her mother (author of pop-psych bestsellers) after he has a big fight with his dad, he cracks under the stress of a week's time waiting in anticipation for Trula to begin picking his brain. In reality though, Trula has gone out of her way to be a gracious and sympathetic host, avoiding asking Jughead any personal questions about his problems at home, but Jughead can't take the stress of not knowing what's going on in Trula's mind, and decides to move out. Before he does, he asks her directly why she didn't attempt to fish around in his psyche to find out what's been bugging him lately -- he's been expecting it for days on end. But instead Trula calmly explains that it would be rude of her as a host to get nosey and pry into his personal business -- if he'd wanted her help, all he'd have needed to do was ask her.  Despite her outwardly calm and unperturbed demeanor, Trula hasn't been totally unaffected by Jughead's stay at her house though -- when she spies THIS:

 -- She ultimately loses it and blows her top (it's little quirks like that of Jughead's that drive her up the wall). After Jughead has left, Trula is still curious about one thing, so she asks her mother why she so readily agreed to let Jughead stay with them. Her mother tells her that she wanted to observe Trula's own reactions to living in close quarters with Jughead for a prolonged time, as research material for a new book she's writing. What Trula has done to Jughead in the past, Trula's mom does to her (and we might infer from that, that this is just business as usual for Mrs. Twyst), which might explain something about Trula.

You're right about Betty, though. Jughead would like nothing better than to see his best pal give up this crazy idea of chasing Veronica Lodge, and settle down with a sweet, sensible, steady girlfriend who truly appreciates him, like Betty. It would be better for Archie, and it would de-complicate Jughead's life as well, but I also think he'd just like to see Betty be happy.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: November 09, 2017, 05:46:34 AM »
RECENT & CURRENT MANGA SERIES THAT I'M GETTING: (including some I've pre-ordered or haven't finished reading yet)

   BATTLE ANGEL ALITA (Kodansha Comics)
   CAPTAIN HARLOCK: DIMENSIONAL VOYAGE (Seven Seas)
   CUTIE HONEY A-GO-GO! (Seven Seas)
   DEATH NOTE ALL-IN-ONE EDITION (VIZ Media)
   DEVILMAN Grimiore (Seven Seas)
   DEVILMAN VS. HADES (Seven Seas)
   DON'T MEDDLE WITH MY DAUGHTER (Seven Seas)
   DRAGONS RIOTING (Yen Press)
   FRANKEN-FRAN (Seven Seas)
   INFINI-T FORCE (Udon Entertainment)
   LONE WOLF & CUB OMNIBUS (Dark Horse Manga)
   KITARO (Drawn & Quarterly)
   MEGA MAN MASTERMIX (Udon Entertainment)
   NEW LONE WOLF & CUB (Dark Horse Manga)
   NURSE HITOMI'S MONSTER INFIRMARY (Seven Seas)
   ONE PUNCH MAN (Jump Comics)
   PLEASE TELL ME! GALKO-CHAN (Seven Seas)
   SAINT SEIYA: SAINTIA SHO (Seven Seas)
   STREET FIGHTER (Udon Entertainment)
   TIGER & BUNNY (VIZ Media)
   ULTRA KAIJU ANTROPOMORPHIC PROJECT (Seven Seas)
   ZOMBIES ASSEMBLE (Marvel Comics)

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All About Archie / Re: Trula Twyst (Jughead's nemesis)
« on: November 08, 2017, 07:09:23 AM »
Why? Because she's the only person capable of getting the best of Jughead?  ;D
I think she gets too much the best of Jughead. Trula seems to do no wrong with him, completely crippling Jughead, seemingly almost all the time. Then again, Jughead allows himself to let her really get in his head, and he gets riled up, which makes it worse...

She outwits him. She seems to be the only one who can. When she's not, then it's business as usual. Which means Jughead Jones outwitting everyone else. Seems only fair. It prevents Jughead from getting too complacent and smug in his own superiority. A little humility is good for the soul.

And if you read the stories closely, she really isn't the Machiavellian she-demon Jughead imagines her to be. He obviously fascinates her because he's different, but at the same time he's so sure of himself, that no one can make him change or do anything he doesn't want to. He just seems to invite toppling from his position as the king of the hill. Sometimes it almost seems like in a weird way, she's doing it for his own good.

And other times, she does... nothing at all. She doesn't have to, because he's so obsessed by his perception of her.

There's no doubt about her motives, actually. She admits in one of her earliest appearances that she's "just wild about him". She's not going to do the "chasing" thing or try to work her "feminine wiles" on him, because she quickly realizes his Achilles' Heel is his attitude towards women in general. I might as well just come right out and say it. Jughead is sexist. He's never met a woman he considers his equal. Oh, he may LIKE Betty, but he doesn't consider her his equal. Veronica's buttons are just too easily labeled for him to resist pushing. Ethel's only challenge to him is her persistence and physical stamina. Beyond that, Jughead considers himself above anyone who displays any emotional weakness for the opposite sex (men OR women) and considers himself invulnerable. Trula wins because she eschews any challenge that meets his expectations. She won't try anything "feminine" that he's expecting. She'll only duel him in the one area which he considers an exclusively masculine domain -- pure intelligence. The ability to "size up your opponent", analyze their weaknesses, and predict their reactions. Jughead's been doing it to Reggie and Veronica for years, which is why nothing galls him more than to be on the receiving end. And while he may swear up and down that she's evil personified, he actually respects her on some unconscious level that he refuses to recognize.

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General Discussion / Re: What comics have you been reading?
« on: November 08, 2017, 07:04:25 AM »
PLEASE TELL ME GALKO CHAN GN VOL 04
KAIJUMAX SEASON 3 #4 (of 6)
STREET FIGHTER VS DARKSTALKERS #6 (OF 8 )
THE X-FILES: JFK DISCLOSURE #1 (of 2)
DIE KITTY DIE: HOLLYWOOD OR BUST #3 (of 4)
ROCK CANDY MOUNTAIN #5
HACK/SLASH VS. VAMPIRELLA #2 (of 5)
KINGSMAN: THE RED DIAMOND #3 (of 6)
FIGHTING AMERICAN #2
DETECTIVE COMICS #968
WONDER WOMAN #34
ACTION COMICS #991
MASTER OF KUNG FU #126
MOON KNIGHT #188
ZOMBIES ASSEMBLE 2 #4 (of 4)
COMIC SHOP TALES BOOK ONE: GRAND OPENING TP
DEVILMAN GRIMOIRE VOL. 1 TP

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General Discussion / Re: Sears/Kmart
« on: November 04, 2017, 02:23:01 AM »
People are thinking the malls are gonna have to allow gyms to move in in order to survive, now.

Hmmm. I guess it brings people into the mall on a daily basis, but then again I'd think that after you work out you'd be too tired to shop.

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Actually, now that I'm a little further in reading "Archie 1000 Page Comics Spree," there are some good older stories in there.  So it's a mixture of good and not-so-good.

Yeah, I was going to mention that I was surprised because I didn't remember that the 1000 Page Comics included "From the Vault" sections. I miss those in the current ongoing digest titles. The 1000 Page Comics digest I read recently even had 3 different From the Vault sections reprinted in a row, 1 from the 1940s (Betty & Veronica stories from before they got their own title), and 2 from the 1950s.

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General Discussion / Re: What have you done today?
« on: November 04, 2017, 02:16:49 AM »
I think my interview went well. What surprised me was that she was okay with me wanting to work both jobs and she liked that i was avaiable from opening shift until 5pm. The interviewer/manager was only 23 years old. She told me that she started working at age 16 and worked her way up in 7 years to manager. She even liked that i asked her what she likes about working at the store and she told me nobody asked her that before. She was even impressed that i worked at my current job
during summer youth employment program and got hired straight from the program.

So what is the job, and what kind of store is it (department, clothing, etc.)? Good luck, I hope you get it.

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Story Help / Re: Elemental Story
« on: November 02, 2017, 03:42:52 PM »
Sorry, but those aren't Archie Characters.


Fire, and her counterpart, Ice were from DC Comics, & part of the Justice League, in the 80s or 90s.
Giffen was artist or writer, I forget which.


 :coolsmiley:

It's not DC's Fire and Ice. FIRE (Beatriz da Costa) was originally named Green Fury. She was granted the power of green flame through Brazilian mysticism and was at one time the head of the Brazilian branch of Wayne Enterprises. ICE (Tora Olafsdotter) was originally named Icemaiden. She is the princess of a lost tribe of Norse magicians, and was born with her powers naturally. Both characters were nominally supposed to have been originally members of the Global Guardians, an international team of superheroes assembled by Dr. Mist, which first appeared in the Superman team-up comic DC COMICS PRESENTS #46, but some of the members had appeared previously in SUPER FRIENDS. Ice's story is confused, because at the time she joined the Justice League International (along with Fire), she was presumed never to have been given a real name, and so either Keith Giffen (artist & co-plotter) or J.M. DeMatteis (writer & co-plotter) named her Tora Olafsdotter. They were wrong about that, though... the original Icemaiden who appeared in SUPER FRIENDS did have a name, Sigrid Nansen, and so a complicated retcon backstory was invented to explain how the original Icemaiden (Sigrid) had been replaced by a new one (Tora), who later shortened her name to just Ice.

At least one of Ice's former appearances is similar to what buefordcomics95 is recalling (except for the blue skin), but the "fire elemental" he's recalling bears no similarity to Beatriz da Costa in any of her former appearances, to say nothing of the completely different origin (she's NOT an elemental) and powers. Originally, Green Fury could only breath green flame, like a human blowtorch. After joining the JLI and changing her name to Fire, her powers were altered to allow her to project blasts of green fire from her hands, and later still so that her entire body ignited with a flaming green aura and she was able to fly -- a direct female counterpart to Marvel's Human Torch.

It's funny, because I can recall seeing online some sort of promotional giveaway comic created for (I think) an ice cream company or ice cream restaurant which involved similar characters to what buefordcomics95 is describing. Artwork was primitive compared to the time period the comic appeared (probably the 1990s), so perhaps a bit "cartoony" looking (perhaps this is why he thought it might be an Archie publication), and if I recall correctly, the 'fire elemental' was actually the villain of the story. The name of the comic completely escapes me, however.

The other thing that occurs to me is that the characters as described don't seem like they would have been out-of-place in a atory from an early 1960s issue of ADVENTURES OF THE FLY or ADVENTURES OF THE JAGUAR. Since I haven't read all of them, it's entirely possible, but I have no clue otherwise.

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I MARRIED A WITCH (United Artists, 1942) - Jennifer (Veronica Lake) and her father Daniel (Cecil Kellaway) are two witches burned at the stake in colonial Salem in 1652. Before dying, Jennifer curses Puritan Jonathan Wooley and all his male descendants (all played by Fredric March) to be unlucky in love and have unhappy marriages. The two witches' spirits (in the form of mist) are bound in the roots of old tree until 1942, when lightning splits the tree, releasing them, and they seek revenge on the current Wooley descendant, Walter Wooley, who is about to be married on the day before the election in which he's running for governor of the state. In their mist form, the two witches seek out Wooley. As incorporeal spirits, their powers include possessing the bodies of the recently deceased and reanimating them, by letting their mist form flow into the bodies. Daniel causes a fire at the Pilgrim Hotel, and Walter Wooley, driving past, stops to help firemen evaculate the hotel's residents -- one of whom is a young girl who died of smoke inhalation, and whose body is then possessed by the mist form of the the witch Jennifer, whom Walter then rescues from the hotel fire. Jennifer's plan is to seduce Walter, ruin his wedding, and his hopes of winning the election. After several failed attempts at seducing him, her father decides to help by concocting a love potion to insure Walter's downfall. Unfortunately, a painting of one of the Wooley ancestors falls from the wall, hitting Jennifer on the head and knocking her unconscious just as she tries unsuccessfully to persuade Walter to drink the potion. In trying to revive her, Walter picks up the potion (he thinks it's only water) and gives it to Jennifer to drink, causing her to fall hopelessly in love with the first man she sees -- Walter. She and her father do manage to disrupt his wedding by causing a public scandal -- Wooley's bride-to-be walks out on him, and the scandal destroys his reputation and hopes of winning the election. He's so reviled by the public that he's forced to flee the state with Jennifer in tow, but by now Walter has fallen in love with her, and after crossing the state line they elope to a justice of the peace and are married. She then uses her witchcraft to repair his reputation, causing him to win the state governor's election by unanimous vote (ballots showing votes for the opposing candidate are even shown to be magically altered so that the vote is changed to Wooley). Daniel still wants to destroy Wooley because of his ancestor's accusation of being a witch that resulted in their trial and conviction as witches and their burning at the stake. But Daniel, now in corporeal form, having possessed the body of a middle-aged mortal, has a weakness for strong drink, and when he gets drunk he forgets how to correctly recite his hexes, spells and incantations -- leaving him powerless until he sobers up. Jennifer does what she can to thwart a number of his attempts to ruin Walter, but eventually Daniel returns. A confrontation between father and daughter over her true allegiance results in Daniel renouncing her as a witch and removing Jennifer's supernatural power, rendering her a mere mortal, but she manages to escape his wrath. While attempting to escape from a crowd of boisterous supporters who've mobbed his house and are celebrating his winning of the state election, Wooley & Jennifer exit through the back door and he hails a neighborhood cab, whose driver he knows, and instructs the cabbie to speed away from the mob quickly... but the driver's place has been taken by Daniel, and he continues to speed up until the cab becomes airborne. He crashes the cab, killing himself and Jennifer in the process, but not before she throws Walter from the cab, saving his life. The witches return to their mist form, and Daniel forces Jennifer to recant her love and loyalty to Wooley. When she does, he restores her powers as a witch, but forces her to watch with him as Walter suffers in the aftermath of Jennifer's apparent death -- but it seems her former body was not damaged in the wreck of the taxi after all, and she returns to it in mist form to inhabit it again, just in time to catch Daniel unawares, his mist form residing in an open liquor bottle which he couldn't resist sampling. Hastily corking the bottle, Jennifer and Walter have a joyful reunion. Flash-forward some years, and the couple are married with children, including a pretty little girl also named Jennifer, happily romping about the house on a broomstick.

There are several ideas established about witches in this film that influenced and are carried forward in subsequent modern fictional depicitons (including Sabrina, the Teenage Witch).
1. Witches, although apparently having mortal ancestors in the distant past, are now a separate race of beings.
2. Witches are dedicated to using their supernatural powers to cause misfortune and misery for ordinary mortals. Failure to do so reflects badly upon a witch and can result in penalties.
3. Witches are forbidden to fall in love -- the penalty for doing so is renouncement by their race and condemnation to a life without powers as a mere mortal.
4. Witches cannot cry, unless they've lost their powers and have made mortal. (In some later depictions, tears signify their automatic loss of supernatural powers.)

One idea of the film that doesn't seem to be carried forward in later fictional depictions of witches is that a witch's true spirit form is that of a mist, which can't be destroyed, only contained, and that in their spirit form they have to power to take possession of recently-deceased mortal bodies, if not badly damaged.

The basic plot of the film (a witch returns from her burning at the stake several hundred years ago to seek revenge on the descendant of the man who condemned her) is identical to the plot of the 1960 Italian horror classic BLACK SUNDAY, directed by Mario Bava and starring Barbara Steele.

Next I'll be reviewing BELL, BOOK, AND CANDLE, a 1958 Columbia Pictures film about love and witchcraft starring Kim Novak and Jimmy Stewart.

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