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  • BettyReggie: Good night
    July 22, 2017, 09:48:17 PM
  • Vegan Jughead: That season 2 preview is AWESOME!  this is gonna rock.
    July 22, 2017, 05:51:09 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: *Season
    July 22, 2017, 04:40:38 PM
  • Tuxedo Mark: Seaspm 2 preview: [link]
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  • CAPalace: Sega posted on their Sonic Twitter. They pulled the Sonic license from Archie Comics and are going to do their own Sonic comic (or something) [link] Wow :(
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    July 19, 2017, 08:52:54 AM
  • rusty: They only show the Amanda Conner cover.  Here are the DC solicits.   [link]
    July 19, 2017, 08:39:49 AM
  • BettyReggie: I can't find them. Can you post pictures of both Comics, because Adam Hughes is doing a cover too.
    July 19, 2017, 08:26:11 AM
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    July 18, 2017, 09:52:16 PM
  • BettyReggie: i wrote to Mike Pellerito on twitter How come no B & v #4 & Harley & Ivy Meet Betty & Veronica #1 in The October 2017 Solicitations?
    July 18, 2017, 02:17:43 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: I know WHY they're doing those floppy comics the way they are. It's largely wasted effort though, because the Archie characters just don't have a history for most of those backbone consumers that make up the comic shop audience. They're largely raised on superhero comics and nothing but. What I'm suggesting is that they're concentrating their efforts in the wrong place, because they're never going to convert a significant enough share of the direct market into ACP readers.
    July 18, 2017, 02:07:10 AM
  • Vegan Jughead: Yes, DCR, I've read a lot of your thoughts about Archie's challenges with the comic shops and I agree with you.  My friend having just owned and sold a comic shop, the entire comic shop format is in danger.  His business was tough.  I think that's why, as much as you're not a fan, you see things like RIVERDALE.  These companies have to use their characters every way they get a chance.  Selling books isn't enough to sustain them anymore.
    July 17, 2017, 09:09:41 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: If there's anything comic book retailers and collectors don't like, it's (A) non-standard size comics that don't fit their normal racking/bins, bagging, boarding, boxing and filing system; and (B) reprints, unless they're of consecutive issues of the same title and/or consecutive chapters of a continued story. Also non-standard genres, like anything cartoony or comical. I think that pretty much covers the uphill slope ACP has going against it with comic shops.
    July 17, 2017, 03:37:47 AM
  • DeCarlo Rules: It's not meant for the comic shop market. I didn't get the point of LIFE WITH ARCHIE in magazine format, since the content was clearly aimed at the audience for floppy comics. I could see if they had offered both formats to try to hedge their bets, but ACP's failure to offer that series in floppy format is baffling. And digests and magazines don't necessarily have the same audience either. I prefer the magazine-size reprints.
    July 17, 2017, 02:57:59 AM
  • Vegan Jughead: From what I've seen though, almost everything in those Super Specials has recently been published in digests.  I don't get the point.
    July 16, 2017, 08:06:05 PM
  • DeCarlo Rules: @VJ - Still better than any 2 and half floppy comics they've been publishing (and more pages of story, too) by my reckoning. Looks like you and I will just be spending our respective $10 in different ways. Maybe I'd feel differently if the new stories ACP is publishing were equal in entertainment value to me to the reprints.
    July 16, 2017, 05:00:59 PM
  • Vegan Jughead: I really don't care if it gets published.  It's one of the biggest ripoffs they sell.  10 bucks for blown up art on cheap paper.
    July 16, 2017, 06:56:30 AM

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All About Archie / Your Pal ARCHIE [preview]
« on: June 25, 2017, 10:18:23 AM »






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Oldiesmann -- neither of these functions work since you went to the https:// secure site URL.

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All About Archie / The Best of JOSIE and the Pussycats TP
« on: May 08, 2017, 11:51:55 AM »
Not much in the way of details for this one... Amazon is pricing it for pre-order at $10 for "over 400 pages", so it seems likely this will follow The Complete SABRINA the Teenage Witch Vol. 1 TP in the black & white format, for a projected shipping date of September 12, 2017. That's if we're not hearing about the cancellation of the Sabrina trade collection first, within the next month or so. If it's not included in next month's solicitations for ACP product shipping from Diamond, it would seem to be even more suspect.

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Josie-Pussycats-Archie-Comics/dp/1682559300






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All About Archie / What in Sam Hill's going on?
« on: April 21, 2017, 09:37:58 AM »
... or is Amazon just fishing for preorders that it may not get, leading to this product being cancelled and never published?

https://www.amazon.com/Sam-Hill-Tom-DeFalco/dp/1619889056/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

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All About Archie / something NOT about Riverdale.
« on: March 17, 2017, 05:52:32 AM »
:D  MADE  YOU  LOOK !!  ;D

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This is WAY advance notice, since this publication isn't due to come out until sometime this summer, but I'm just incredibly stoked that some comic fan publication is finally giving some recognition to Archie Comics. Here's a preview of the cover:



And the solicitation copy for this issue:

Quote
Summer 2017 - 84 FULL-COLOR pages

COMIC BOOK CREATOR #16 visits Riverdale High, U.S.A., to celebrate America's Typical Teenager Archie and his pals 'n gals—as well as the mighty MLJ heroes of yesteryear and those of today's "Dark Circle"—with a look at the 75-year-old comics line's wildest characters and titles. Plus we conduct career-spanning conversations with two of the imprint's hottest creators: Brooklyn's own DEAN HASPIEL (the Emmy-winning alternative-slash-mainstream artist who collaborated with HARVEY PEKAR) and DAN PARENT (GLADD award-winning cartoonist and creator of the Archie universe's ground-breaking gay character, Kevin Keller), who both jam on our great exclusive cover depicting a face-off between humor and heroes. Rounding out the ish are our usual features to fascinate and enlighten, including the hilarious Fred Hembeck. Edited by Jon B. Cooke.

Dean Haspiel previously collaborated with Mark Waid on THE FOX miniseries for Red Circle, the only title to carry over into a second miniseries for Dark Circle.

In addition to having the print version of the magazine distributed through Diamond Comics, TwoMorrows will offer the digital version for sale on its website here:
http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=98_132&products_id=1272
If you order the print version of the magazine direct from TwoMorrows, you can also get the digital version as a free bonus.

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All About Archie / THE CANCELLATION REPORT
« on: January 27, 2017, 03:01:42 AM »
It finally occurred to me that cancellations of previously-solicited titles are such an ongoing problem with ACP, that there really ought to be a permanent thread to alert people to these cancellations when they happen. I hasten to remind people that that doesn't preclude the title and issue # in question being re-solicited at some later date, and finally coming out at some time in the future. However, it's also a good thing to keep in mind that non-ongoing titles like TP collections, magazine format, new #1 issues, and one-shots are especially at risk of that cancellation being of a much more permanent nature, and the title in question never seeing print at all.

At this point there are a few recent cancellations that I already mentioned elsewhere, so I'm not going to repeat those now, but going forward I will try to put all such notices in a single place, here on this thread, so that if people are wondering about any particular title, they can find this thread and check all the previous posts.

The newest cancellations I've just discovered:

ARCHIE COMIC SUPER SPECIAL #8
JOSIE & THE PUSSYCATS 80 PAGE GIANT COMIC #1


Can't say either of these is a major shock (although both are a major disappointment to me, personally), as the SUPER SPECIALS have been suffering from these cancellations with the last 2 previous issues (and I'm actually surprised last year's Christmas issue, #7, got published at all). The JOSIE 80 PAGE GIANT follows suit with the previously-solicited, and then cancelled REGGIE'S 80 PAGE GIANT #1.

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All About Archie / Jughead the lover
« on: January 16, 2017, 04:03:45 AM »
{Moved here from another thread, where it was SERIOUSLY off-topic.}

hm interesting how going against the norm, being different, and "going your own way" absolves you of all sexuality.

Like in language. We have words. That mean things. You can say you don't fit into any category all day long but in all honesty, you still actually do.

If Jughead had shown interest in girls none of you would be avoiding calling him straight just because weird people don't fit into labels. But whatever.

I think I already covered this in a post above, but he has shown interest in girls. But only in SOME stories. In others he's a "woman-hater", and other characters in the story specifically identify him by that label. I probably can't find a specific example to post here, or even more difficult to pin down, one where he identifies himself as a woman-hater (although it's certainly easy to find stories where he expresses his criticism of the female gender as a whole), but I can remember reading stories like that. The ones where he shows interest in girls are much easier to identify, and some of them are harder to quantify. One subject of debate revolves around Jughead's love relationship with January McAndrews, Marshall of the Time Police and a future descendant of Archie Andrews, which has raised a few eyebrows among people wondering just what exactly is going on there. There are even stories where Jughead dates Big Ethel and winds up having a good time. But it seems that in some stories he most definitely IS straight. Another good example of those would be LIFE WITH ARCHIE magazine (a.k.a. THE MARRIED LIFE in TP), where Jughead is married to Midge Klump.
Your argument doesn't fit or support the agenda.

In hindsight I find it fascinating to look back on the brief period beginning in 1987, when JUGHEAD was relaunched with a new issue #1 (August 1987), until about issue #38 (Oct.1992) - a period of about 5 years (which also included the short run of JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE). During this short time frame, there was a lot of experimentation with the previous status quo of Jughead. He started dating, and there were a number of different women that were important in this period of his life were (besides January McAndrews over in TIME POLICE). In the very first issue, Jughead reminisces about Marci, who is referred to as "Jughead's very first groupie". In issue #5, things really begin getting stranger when a new Riverdale student, Debbie Dalton, shows up at school and all the boys are smitten by her. Even Jughead, who begins to obsess over her when he sees her talking to Archie and he's afraid that they're dating. However, it turns out that Debbie only has eyes for Jughead, and the feeling seems to be mutual, so they soon begin dating. Even Archie and Reggie begin to become envious of him. If that weren't enough, in that same issue, Juggie receives a letter from his very first friend in kindergarten, Joani Jumpp (who had a crush on him then, and still does), letting him know that she's moving back to Riverdale. When she arrives she immediately becomes jealous of Debbie, and a new "triangle wrangle" is born.



By issue #7 Jughead's image among teenage girls in Riverdale is beginning to change, in a story where the girls are hanging out at the beach, gossiping (mostly unfavorably) about Jughead. To refute their impression that Jughead is cheap and miserly, Betty tells a story about how Juggie spent his last $2 to buy some food for a couple of homeless kids, and to refute their impression that Jughead is the epitome of laziness, Midge tells the girls how Jughead stayed up all night cleaning the school to help an injured Mr. Svenson pass an important inspection. The girls insist that Jughead is the least model student at Riverdale, but when they compare notes they realize that Jughead has given several of them useful ways to ace their math homework. At first they grudgingly give him credit for all these things, but they still insist that he's a slob with no sense of style or fashion -- until fashion designer Coolvin Clean arrives in Riverdale, and spots Jughead and wants to copy his "individualist" look. All of a sudden the girls' impressions of Jughead start changing and they begin to think of him as a real sweetie, and good boyfriend material.



In issue #10 Jughead finds a genie in a bottle who offers to help him get to know girls without having to go on dates with them, so he's definitely spending more time thinking about girls. But when he winds up with two dates at the same time, Juggie decides to get rid of the genie as more trouble than he's worth. In another story in that same issue, Jughead finds a little girl lost in a snowstorm and helps her get home, earning a few kisses from the girl's older sister.



By issue #12, Jughead's former reputation among Riverdale's teenage girls has done an about-face:



Issue #14 contains a story with a rare appearance of January McAndrews outside of TIME POLICE, when she arrives to send Jughead on a mission to the past, and Joani Jumpp is also in the same story. Jan reappears in issue #18 (these appearances occurred in-between the first two Time Police stories in World of Jughead [ARCHIE GIANT SERIES] #590 & 602, and JUGHEAD'S TIME POLICE #1), and by now Jughead's romantic troubles have become even more complicated than Archie's. Things will become a little simpler for Jughead though, because this is Jan's last appearance in JUGHEAD, and Joani Jumpp announces that her family is moving from Riverdale again at the end of the story.



By issue #19, Jughead finally decides "I've Had It With Girls!" (responding, no doubt in this case, to the majority of readers' wishes).


That was only a brief respite though, because Jughead would soon begin seeing a woman psychoanalyst, Dr. Sara Bellum, and then become a skatepunk and get his head shaved in a bizarre pattern. He continued to attract new female interests like Sassy Thrasher and eventually began a new romantic relationship with Anita Chavita, a paraplegic black Latina girl -- which, in what can only be described as a bizarre twist, invoked a new mortal enemy in the form of normally mild-mannered, but now embittered, Dilton Doiley - who harbored a secret crush on Anita, and became obsessed with splitting the couple apart.


When this extended experimental phase finally ended, the title merely shifted (with about a gap of a year in which nothing particularly atypical for Jughead happened) into another change in status quo for Jughead. One that -- finally -- didn't involve any romance. In issue #50 a new female entered Jughead's life in the form of new baby sister Jellybean.


But just in case you thought Jughead's life was FINALLY free of all female entanglements, now that he'd left January, Debbie, Joani, Sassy and Anita behind him...
There was still Ethel. And Trula Twyst. ...and Bella Beazly, Wendy Weatherbee, Sadie Cameron, Sandy Sanchez, Toni Topaz, DiDi Diaz, and Sabrina...





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All About Archie / A Digest Subscriber's Report - 2016
« on: January 07, 2017, 03:48:31 AM »
I subscribed to every single digest title that ACP published in 2016. Here's some data I compiled by tracking the in-store released dates (taken from Diamond Comics Distributors' website, so these are the dates that they would have appeared for sale in local independent comic retailers' stores) and the dates I received those same issues of my digest subscriptions in the mail. I unfortunately did not begin seriously tracking my subscription delivery dates until February 2016 (thus the titles released in January 2016 appear in gray font and are notated as "no data"), but otherwise tried to list all digest issues released in 2016. A single exception to that is ARCHIE COMICS DOUBLE DIGEST #275, released in comic shops on 4-Jan-2017. It was close enough to 2016 for me to include the data this summary, replacing delivery data that I failed to record for ARCHIE COMICS WINTER ANNUAL #265 (released in comic shops on 30-Dec-2015) so that I could have a total of 10 issues of that title (the proper annual frequency) represented.

Some other notes:
Issues listed in a RED font were ones I received later than they appeared in comic shops. Issues that were delivered by mail egregiously late (by which I mean 2 weeks or more late) are in BOLD font. Issues that were SO late that I had to email the subscription department to complain are highlighted in YELLOW, except for a single issue highlighted in RED -- JUGHEAD AND ARCHIE JUMBO COMICS #23, which, when it was over 3 weeks late, and I emailed ACP to complain, I was informed that they no longer had any copies of that issue to replace the one I was missing, so they issued me credit for another issue on my subscription for that title instead (and I had to special order that issue from Diamond Comics through my LCS).

Issues listed in a GREEN font were those that were delivered earlier than the comic shop on-sale date, and if they were received a week or more earlier, I listed that issue in BOLD font.




A few other comments seem appropriate here. It hardly seems likely that too many other digest subscribers are tracking issues of their subscriptions in this kind of detail (notice how I avoided the word 'obsessively' there - but looking at the data overall, there may be some good reasoning behind my obsession). Which leads me to wonder how many kids are missing issues from their subscriptions that simply never arrive and they never notice, or possibly their parents don't know where to direct their complaints (or can't be bothered, if they're even aware of it). This data certainly doesn't present a pretty picture for anyone thinking of subscribing to the digest titles, but it is what it is. I've already cancelled my subscription (after 2 issues, but by that time issue #3 and 4 were already in the pipeline) to ARCHIE 75th ANNIVERSARY JUMBO COMICS, and I'm planning to let my subs to both ARCHIE COMICS DOUBLE DIGEST and WORLD OF ARCHIE COMICS DOUBLE DIGEST expire (they currently only have a couple of issues left). I've got a few more issues of both ARCHIE'S FUNHOUSE and JUGHEAD AND ARCHIE before I have to worry about making a decision on those titles, and I already re-subscribed to both B&V FRIENDS and BETTY AND VERONICA a couple of months ago (those are the two most important titles to me, that I don't want to miss an issue of). My LCS doesn't even normally preorder any of the digest titles for their shelf, so I'd have to order these special for myself every month, or go looking for them at the local Barnes & Noble every month.

It's hard to say how much of the blame here should be allotted to my local USPS (they can't possibly be handing even bulk rate mail this badly, this often, can they?), how much to ACP, and how much to "Subscription Genius". Subscription Genius is what is basically handling the subscription orders, although the order help department at ACP can obviously make modifications manually (and users can see certain data of their own and modify things like their mailing address, and renew subscriptions). Subscription Genius may be no more than an app that ACP licenses from a software group that automates certain tasks like tracking issue #s, addresses and billing. I don't know if they're an actual service that has anything to do with the printing and mailing of subscribers' copies. My own admittedly non-documented recollections as a subscriber from 2015 is that delivery of issues then seemed more or less timely, with most issues arriving up to a week or so either early or late, but things seem to have taken a significant downturn after October or early November of 2015, when online comic news sites carried the news of ACP having slashed its in-house staff, eliminating several permanent employees. I wouldn't even consider getting issues delivered a week or so late that big of a deal, if there was any kind of consistency to it, but this is too much.

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All About Archie / Did anyone get any Archie-related Christmas presents?
« on: December 26, 2016, 10:03:30 AM »
Any receive any Xmas gifts of Archie comics, digests, trade paperbacks, hardcover books, DVDs, merchandise, or anything?

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All About Archie / Archie Comics cancellations
« on: December 08, 2016, 12:11:28 AM »
From Diamond Comics, here is a list of ACP products for which all previously solicited orders have been cancelled, along with their Diamond order codes.

OCT161174   ARCHIE NEW RIVERDALE COVER BOOK #1 - CANCELLED
AUG161233   ARCHIES BIG BOOK TP VOL 01 MAGIC MUSIC & MISCHIEF - WILL RESOLICIT
AUG169241   ARCHIES COLORING BOOK #1 - WILL RESOLICIT
OCT161175   BETTY & VERONICA NEW RIVERDALE COVER BOOK #1 - CANCELLED
OCT161189   REGGIES 80 PAGE GIANT COMIC #1    - CANCELLED
SEP161300   SABRINA #8 CVR A REG HACK - WILL RESOLICIT
SEP161301   SABRINA #8 CVR B VAR SOUTHWORTH - WILL RESOLICIT
AUG161239   SONIC SUPER DIGEST #18 - WILL RESOLICIT
AUG169242   SONIC SUPER SPECIAL MAGAZINE #14 - WILL RESOLICIT

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Amazon is now listing this formerly-solicited-and-then-cancelled TPB collection with a new publication date of September 26, 2017. None of the prior solicitations for this title that I'd seen in the past ever showed an actual cover for the proposed collection, which makes it seem especially nebulous. Generally, solicitations will have at least a "Not Final Cover" disclaimer over an image if the actual publication date is too far away for the cover to have been definitely decided upon. This solicitation on Amazon (as with all previous solicitations for this title) merely shows the cover to ARCHIE & FRIENDS #146, the first part of a 2-part "Twilight" parody story (Part 2 was in A&F #147), so we can conclude that that 2-parter forms the centerpiece of this them collection. It seems likely that any B&V vampire-themed collection would also reprint the 2-parter from BETTY & VERONICA #261-262 (the 'Betty the Vampire-Slayer vs. Vamperonica' storyline).

You have to wonder why they'd use the cover from A&F #146 though, since the TPB is titled as a B&V collection and Betty doesn't even appear on that cover, and there's just 'something' about the title "BETTY & VERONICA: LOVE AT FIRST BITE" that seems a little too innuendo-ish in its possible implications to begin with.

Anyway, here's the listing on Amazon if anyone's interested in pre-ordering this. The worst thing that could happen would be... nothing at all.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1619889463/ref=pe_11480_217674830_emwa_email_title_1

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All About Archie / Rachel Antonoff's BETTY & VERONICA fashions
« on: November 25, 2016, 02:17:11 AM »
Since I've been seeing the ads for this in the digests, I decided to check it out.
http://www.bettyandveronica.com/



It's a fairly pricey collection, so obviously aimed more at the Veronicas out there than the Bettys. I'd be interested in getting the women's reaction on these. Which of these do you like or would you wear (leaving aside the question of whether you can afford to dole out this much cash on your wardrobe collection)?

And what's with the two differently-colored shoes? Is that an actual thing now? It sounds like the plot of an Archie Comics story -- or at least I remember one where Betty (or was it Veronica?) started a new fad at Riverdale High by accidentally wearing two mismatched socks to school one morning.

In other news --
  • There's a Black Friday sale beginning at http://archiecomics.com/. Use codeword FRIDAY for 40% off and fill in some holes in your collection with stuff you might not have considered buying at full price.
  • RIVERDALE has a premiere date of Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 9pm on "the" CW. (I never was clear on what that stood for, so maybe someone could clear that up for me, and why is it the only cable network that requires a definite article "the"?) That pilot episode should be worth a couple of threads worth of commentary for the forums.

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All About Archie / More Classic Archie solicted for February 2017
« on: November 19, 2016, 02:30:53 AM »
Just wanted to point out a few items of note from ACP's Feb/2017 solicits.


First we got the long-delayed (two years!) 7th issue of the Super Special magazine, now another issue solicited for a mere 3 months later?
Keep your fingers crossed that this is back again, hopefully on a quarterly schedule. That means YOU SHOULD BUY THIS. :knuppel2:


Get out your crayons, colored pencils and markers!
ARCHIE'S COLORING BOOK #1 is here to relieve your stress.

Good thing too, because I'll probably be stressing out over whether or not it will get cancelled until I actually see it listed as shipping the next week...
128 pages of coloring fun for a mere (?) $9.99.
(Coloring books cost TEN BUCKS now?? I remember when they were like, 89¢ ... :-\ There's that stress creeping up the back of my neck again...)
The solicitation copy describes this as "each image has an intricate background pattern to add to your color experience". Hope it doesn't turn out looking like that awful DISNEY VILLAINS Coloring Book, which was so busy with clashing op-art background patterns that there were no open white areas to actually color in (seriously -- look at the awful reviews for it on Amazon). I suspect that they came up with this scheme to prevent people scanning any simple B&W-outline art and turning them into useful decorative artwork featuring their popular copyrighted character images. Uh-oh, there's that stress creeping up on me again...

See now, here's both a good example (because it's an awesome Dan Parent iconic cover design, and B&V both look totes adorable here  :smitten:), and a bad example of what I mean. If they printed that same cover on a page in the coloring book in black & white, what looked neato-keeno when Dan Parent did it on a computer poses a perplexing problem to someone staring at it with a crayon, marker or colored pencil in hand, looking at the patterns on the girls' dresses and thinking "WTF am I supposed to do with this?", so it's not lowering your stress levels the way just gazing at the cover as Dan created it on the computer would.



And finally, then there's THIS...!

I WANT to believe, because I WANT to buy this SOoo BADDDD!
But after the quick cancellation of the recently-solicited REGGIE'S 80 PAGE GIANT COMIC #1, I just don't believe ACP's solicitations are for actual, real products anymore. :buck2: At least when it comes to anything Classic Archie, beyond the usual periodical digest issues and the 1000 PAGE Comics and GIANT Comics collections.

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All About Archie / Some questions about Adam Hughes' BETTY & VERONICA
« on: November 13, 2016, 12:47:16 PM »
Before I ask the questions, let me preface this by stating that some (if not most) of these questions may seem strange to some of you. So let me set this up by explaining why I think I need to ask them. I've read the first 2 issues of the New Riverdale BETTY & VERONICA (once only) but I don't own them so I don't have them to refer to. I've also read every issue of the New Riverdale JUGHEAD, but apart from #9 & 10, I don't own any of the first 8 issues. I've read the first two issues of ARCHIE, but don't own those either, and haven't even read issues #3-12 (or whatever number they're up to now).

I don't recall reading anything in those JUGHEAD issues that would seem relevant to background knowledge that a reader of BETTY & VERONICA would be expected to have prior to reading the story, but I'm not sure if that's true of the New Riverdale ARCHIE title. Ideally, a reader of B&V would not require any background knowledge prior to reading the story, but I realize comic books are now written in such a way that sometimes the reader of a new title is presumed to have also read previous titles published by the same company, and supposedly taking place within the same universe.

Now, it also occurs to me that since the New Riverdale comics are all part of a REBOOTED Archie universe, no information applicable to the publisher's previous incarnations of the characters should be presumed, either. Therefore any background information that the reader of BETTY & VERONICA can be presumed to bring with them before reading the story should go back no further in the publishing history than ARCHIE (2015) #1. I mean, isn't that the point, to get new readers to read the New Riverdale comics, and not assume that the readers had also read Archie Comics published prior to  ARCHIE #1? Clearly there are many specific aspects of the Archie characters in the New Riverdale comics that differ from their Classic incarnations, so they shouldn't be asking any readers to fill in any missing background information about the characters appearing in New Riverdale based on the pre-rebooted characters' incarnations.

So these questions I have are by way of determining whether background information necessary to the story in B&V #1-2 is simply not given in the story, or whether that information was stated or depicted in the stories in ARCHIE, and the publisher (and writer) has simply presumed that all of the readers of BETTY & VERONICA would have read those comics already. Also by way of determining whether the reason it doesn't seem like a real story to me (because there's too much background information missing for me to make much sense of it) is because in order to really understand what's going on in this story, I would need to understand things that happened in ARCHIE.



1. Are Betty and Veronica best friends? Are they friends at all? (Because it sure doesn't seem like it.) I know Veronica only moved to Riverdale recently in the new ARCHIE series, so where & how did they become friends (if indeed they are, sure doesn't seem like it)? If they're not friends, then how does a BETTY VS. VERONICA story even matter?




2. Is Mr. Lodge an evil greedy 1%er who doesn't care about anybody but himself/money/his family (maybe?)




3. Betty tried to explain why she's trying to save Pop's in the first issue, but what does Veronica get out of making sure Pop Tate is driven out of business? Another successful gourmet coffee franchise in Riverdale doesn't make a difference in her lifestyle one way or another, because she's too rich already for a few more $$$ in profit to change anything for her, right? She doesn't have to do a thing to help Pop Tate, but she doesn't have to go out of her way to annihilate him either, unless she's just doing it to crush Betty's hopes. And why do you think she'd want to do that, if that's what she's doing? She could just stand back, do absolutely nothing, and let the chips fall where they may.





4. Who do you think we're supposed to be rooting for in this story? And why does it matter? Places go out of business all the time, get bought up or change ownership, etc. You see it all the time, if you even notice it. Why would it be a good thing if Betty/Pop's wins, or why would it be a good thing if Veronica/coffee wins? The reason I ask is that if it doesn't matter to the reader which one wins, Betty/Pop's or Veronica/Lodge coffee franchise, then what do you think the story IS about?





5. This one's tough, and you won't find the answers in any of those other comic books, so you'll just have to put on your thinking cap. There's no right answer or wrong answer.
IF it does matter somehow, then WHY does it matter? What does Pop's symbolize or stand for? What does Lodgebucks Coffee (or whateverthehell the franchise is called) represent, and how do the values, ideas/ideals or philosophies that those two different companies embody have anything to say about anything? Are Pop Tate's and Lodgebucks Coffee metaphors for something else?




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I have some ideas of my own about Question #5, but I'm wondering if anybody thinks about these stories or what they're about, or just reads them in 10-15 minutes and puts them away in a bag and/or box and forgets about them.

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